If the performance weakness continues for a week or two, the agency would start recommending decreasing spend with Reddit or directing it to other platforms.
After the blackout, we will be closely monitoring user behavior on Reddit and guide clients when we can unpause,” said Freddy Dabaghi, managing director at Stagwell-backed Crispin Porter Bogusky, which has asked clients to stop campaigns, depending on their client goals.
Hey! I’m keeping this as it’s sharing knowledge with new users from Reddit. However, in future please find another community to post this on, because it is not related to the lemmy.world instance specifically.
I mean. We’re all here. No idea how many people will actually stay, but I hope It’s enough. I like the change
Any amount will push lemmy closer to mainstream, so it’s always a good thing. The world won’t stop going into an anti-privacy and anti-freedom direction over night, so we might be looking at some exponential growth after the wave of new users.
I wouldn’t say we’re all here. The statistics really don’t show that unfortunately
I definetly didn’t write clearly, sry :p
I meant that everyone on this thread is already on board. I just hope people actually stay in Lemmy
I can only talk for myself. Since yesterday I lurk on Reddit but don’t really engage with it anymore other than that.
As soon as Apollo is gone, even that will go away. I don’t know if I will stay on Lemmy, only time will tell even tho I hope so. But my active days on Reddit are ending right now.
I am/was? A moderator of r/NintendoDE, still backed out, until they take us over or comply with the demands.
Probably we’ll be taken over at some point, but I feel like Reddit has lost its place for me, and a large part of the trust that I out there too.
I love how these articles always frame the strike as “These needy people are mad because Reddit is now charging for something that was free before.” Motherfucker, we’re mad because the price was unreasonable and they were unwilling to negotiate in good faith. Third party app developers even agreed that charging for API usage was a reasonable thing but they expected the cost to be reasonable, as well.
I’m mad because of the slander.
The reason the price is unreasonable is because they’re butthurt that OpenAI and other companies have used the API to pull a LOT of text for machine learning datasets. They are sad that they didn’t get a slice of that cake.
On NPR they did interview the Apollo dev at least.
They still got the frame completely wrong, unless there’s a different radio segment I didn’t hear. The one I heard was mostly from an expert I had never heard from before who made it seem like “the developers” were mad because they had to pay. They included a single throwaway line from Chris. (I think that’s the Apollo dev’s name.) No mention they the pricing was clearly intended to be unreasonable.
There was a segment today, and one yesterday where they actually put Christian on air for a bit longer and he explained things a little better. The one today was definitely obnoxious. But whatever. There’s a lot of nuance in why the API decision is annoying and some of it really does boil down to old users feeling betrayed or having diverging preference. I definitely feel betrayed, and have a preference not to be tracked on my semi-anonymous internet forum.
But to someone who hasn’t spent a decade+ on Reddit, the argument makes sense I think. The API does represent an opportunity cost. Whether that opportunity cost is grounded in reality, or MBA brain rot is probably outside the scope for All Things Considered
It’s bullshit fr. I also haven’t seen one major news article report on that god awful AMA where Spez tried to lie about what Christian said and then claim he was blackmailed but was met with audio recordings of himself that proved he was lying
I know it’s not “major” in the sense of traditional news outlets, but Philip DeFranco is covering it at least
Honestly, regardless of what happens, I have no plans to go back. Lemmy’s been a refreshing breath of fresh air.
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I also like it more and more, especially since more communities are popping up and they get more populated.
It really is, there isn’t as much content as reddit and that may or may not change but the lack of people acting like they are better than everyone makes it well worth it. I deleted the app and won’t go back
yup, let those folk stay on Reddit.
Fully agree, let’s keep this attitude going here! :)
Until all the communities I love move here I think I’d be hopping back and forth from Sync for Reddit and Lemmy for Reddit, until that happens or Sync breaks lol.
What do you mean by Lemmy for Reddit?
A typo lol, I edited my comment, I meant Jerboa for Lemmy.
Ah ok, I thought I was about to learn something new again ^^
I just hope Mr Dawson magically creates support for Lemmy in Sync for Reddit…
I wanted to leave for such a long time, but the alternatives weren’t active enough.
If enough people stick around, yeah, I’m never going back.
I’m really hoping the federated nature will make advertising harder. That’s what really started making Reddit suck.
Same. It’s really struck me both how little I miss it and how much I like the communities here. There’s a much friendlier vibe.
And for the most part, aside from the bullshit threads where it’s encouraged and expected, the comments are a lot more ‘high-effort,’ which is nice. That’s something that I would expect to tend to naturally go down with the lowest common denominator as user count increases, but we’ll see.
Yeah, I think the kind of people to drop reddit over this are going to be more my kind of people, if that makes sense.
Conversation seems deeper, less dominated by repeated jokes.
This is a really good point, and one of the reasons I’m happy to make my new online home here.
The type of people who act like this is nothing, or worse, act like there’s nothing that can be done and we should just roll over, won’t have gone through the trouble to come here. And yeah, I’m with you, they can all hang out and circlejerk the same jokes over and over along with the bots.
Best of both worlds, and we’re all happy. A bit of positive selection bias.
The forum wheel spins what the forum wheel wills. It does feel like the start of a new era, and also extremely familiar.
All praise the hamster
Lemmy was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to Reddit-esque forums. But it was a beginning.
also you don’t have a karma system homogenizing behavior by making redditors constantly addicted to upcummies
As much as I’ll miss my karma crops, the higher bar here (at least, for now) is a welcome reprieve.
Two Wpromote clients canceled two premium, takeover-style campaigns that were supposed to launch this week
“Takeover” campaigns are getting canceled. I wonder which blacked out subs were going to be taken over with ads this week.
Wait, the advertisers have campaigns to take over subreddits? What?!
Not literally take over a subreddit, takeover advertising campaigns are typically a high-key screen space domination type of advertising. Think of something like a video games news site where the homepage is completely covered in advertising for a new, high budget game. Ads at the top, ads at the bottom, ads in the normally-empty margins, and often a focus on articles about the subject.
How that reflects to Reddit I’d never know, it’s likely something that’s exclusive to the newer layout that I have no interest in using.
This type of advertising is the death-knell of any site, because at that point you’re interacting with an advert with some extra elements rather than a site with ads.
I’m of the opinion that it has a time and a place, but I do agree that it’s exceptionally intrusive to the site’s normal experience and should be very rare and short-lived. Any more than a day and its runs afoul of the people who just aren’t interested.
And that’s why they will get rid of old.reddit. If they are cutting third party apps to increase ad revenue, then they will do the same with old.reddit
Apparently “premium, takeover-style” campaigns are a thing that reddit sells to its advertisers. TIL The article says that the campaigns will relaunch next week after the delay.
What do you think the unblockable “He Gets Us” bullshit is?
Oh hell fucking no, if they start doing that reddit is for sure dead
They have been doing this since March 2020.
Source: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/introducing-reddits-new-offering-for-advertisers-trending-takeover/
I’m aware, With this new article it seems they are going to become much more aggressive with ads and I expect them to get rid of old.reddit in the future to force even more ads on people with this change.
Blood… reaching… boiling point…
A new blackout tracker just dropped on the Discord: https://darktotal.com/
I love how this contrasts with the CEO statement that many subreddits would go back to normal after the 2 days
Thank you for sharing!
ps, which discord is this?
I’ve also been liking https://blackout.photon-reddit.com/
Oh that’s a great one as well! The graph bottom right tracking individual subs over time is super helpful
That’s very useful. I scrolled through the out of blackout list and was disappointed to find quite a few of my most-visited subreddits were public again
It almost makes me more upset that the subreddits are going public and makes me resist going back even more. It’s obviously having some sort of impact from that article about advertisers. Like, do mods really need to have their subreddit public that much? Go touch some god damn grass It’s irritating
Confused looking at r/gtafk jumping every hour from public to restricted to private to public to…
Mod fight, probably.
This one is much nicer.
If I were world dictator I would just make advertising illegal. It’s the perfect dictator move. Simple policy that’s hard to enforce which will almost certainly have unintended consequences. But God damn do I hate advertising.
don’t complain if all the free service become paid…
You ever though about where the money from advertisers comes from? I would pay for Google if I would then pay less for products that waste money on “marketing” by paying millions to Google.
I honestly think I’d prefer that they just let me pay them outright rather than trying to use me as bait for advertisers. The expectation that everything should be free leads to what we see today
meh, good point but i’d prefer some reasonably placed ad (not like those website that have 99% ad and 1% content) instead of paying for something that maybe i’ll never use again
Yea I wouldn’t mind If some of these instances had like one stickied post at the top for a paid ad If that was enough to pay for most of these server costs
I agree with you.
The thing is that there aren’t significant direct production costs per user for technology services like there are for material items, just overall maintenance costs that only scale noticeably with a large increase of new users, so it would actually be possible to pay for infrastructure and salary costs and all of that with just a percentage of your overall userbase being subscribed and subsidizing the rest. This is actually a monetization strategy that’s working out for some privacy focused services like ProtonMail. So it would be necessary to convince some users to sign up but not necessarily all of them.
The public broadcasting model.
Shout out to KEXP.org
sadly adverts are what allows some things to be free to consumers, it’s the funding that supports the content that people consume. It’s what it is for now, in the future maybe there would be better merit systems funded by tax or something if humans get together and stop being greedy.
Your wish has been granted, all small businesses have gone bankrupt because nobody knows they exist and since the only form of advertising left is undercover guerilla advertising campaigns every post on every platform is secretly an advertisement!
Ahh! Oh no! Who could have ever foreseen these consequences??
oh no
I think people should be allowed to promote products and services, but those promotions should not be given any more weight than any other kind of post. The problem is when advertisers are allowed to buy spots on a site.
Wouldn’t that just turn into who can afford the most vote manipulation on their reddit posts?
Isn’t that how it works now anyway, in addition to regular ads?
You’re not wrong!
It is such a bizarre and creepy industry, everything about it is gross. I support you for world dictator!
The problem is that it is basically impossible to clearly differentiate from reviews which are a good and necessary thing. Pay someone to review your product and what now?
This is really nice, if the protests start to hurt their bottom line, they are going to be much more inclined to listen. I didn’t expect these blackouts to do something.
Or even better, fire the MBAs who came up with the stupid idea in the first place
I don’t think the idea is stupid, just poorly executed. From Reddir’s POV, this makes sense (why wouldn’t it?). They could have done this in a much better way.
3rd-party devs recognized that paying for API access is reasonable, but they rightfully objected to the pricing.
The Internet is moving towards a subscription-based model, mimicking the one it opposed at the beginning. Or to put it more succinctly: app subscription are the new bills.
Guess I should have worded better. I actually like subscription-based membership if it means we remove advertisements and data collection/sales. I personally think spez is lying about reddit not being profitable. They are probably raking it in via ad sales and selling harvested data.
Even if it was true, the decision to host all images and videos themselves must have helped with that lol.
Yea, and they really implemented that poorly, too. Reddit video has to be the worst video playback (when it does play back) on the internet since 1996…
I think the internet at its best is when it’s ad-free, not harvesting and selling user data, and free to use.
Wikipedia is one of the most successful projects on the internet, and it works exactly like that.
Hypothetically, I wouldn’t be opposed to some kind of compensation model. But experience shows that as soon as you introduce a for-profit model, people in charge will eventually ask the question “hey, if this is making money, couldn’t we squeeze much more money out of it!?!?”
Oh I’m with you on that. I meant payments more just to pay staff salaries and for servers. Definitely 100% against profiting.
On Monday, Reddit’s ad manager encountered a brief outage, during which buyers were unable to look at reporting statistics, even while impressions were still delivering, though the impact was fairly minimal, per four sources. (The Verge reported the moderator blackout crashed the site, although it’s unclear whether the crashes are related).
So the site was down for quite a bit of time but the ad related stuff was just a minor hiccup?
Priorities
Advertising on the internet has always been pretty awful. I wish it would just stop.
Unless you want to pay something for every site you visit ads are a necessary inconvenience. Otherwise why would businesses pay to host interesting content for free?
Otherwise why would businesses pay to host interesting content for free?
See, I think that’s the problem.
Wikipedia is one of the all-time great projects on the internet, and it keeps chugging along all without forcing miserable ads on its users or charging them a subscription fee or selling their data to the highest bidder.
And their donation drives are perfectly fine, and I’m perfectly willing to give them some money every now and then as long as they’re asking for what is needed to keep the site up and running.
Maybe not everything should be run as a for-profit business, with an overriding goal of monetizing clicks and maximizing profits?
I pay by contributing content, and I block ads. My content attracts people who don’t mind the ads. Nobody is hosting content for free.
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You know before websites became the norm to access informations, the main way to follow topics of interest was both newspapers and publications, and those required subscription or a price anyway. Since i did not grow up with the internet all the time, i used offline means to get informations, and i am fine with it. I never needed reddit as a primary source of informations, i can cut down my usage of it by 100%. If we want quality we still need to pay for it, with few exceptions most free sites just exist for ads.
The problem is that they always want more. It’s not enough to make money. So the ads and intrusive garbage gets worse and worse until we reach an unusable nightmare.
TV shows have banner ads during the show. Everyone wants to send you notifications. Even cars are starting to have ads on their screens.
It’s exhausting.
We really shoulda nipped that bullshit in the bud decades ago.
Tuned into watch Nhl this year. My god. There are fast moving full colour animations on the boards. Right in the middle of the action in one of the fastest moving contact sports with a tiny puck you’re trying to keep track of. It’s unwatchable. Had to just use it like a radio station and only watch when there was a highlight.
Corporations don’t want to make a little money, they don’t want to make enough money, they don’t want to make a lot of money, they want to make all the money.
It’s obnoxious and has made me never want to see ads ever again. I’m OK with seeing something useful like a local ad for deals on a local food place or Safeway deals or something, toys and videogames maybe even movies but I shouldn’t have to let them data mine me for targeted ads that end up being repetitive and constant. When living in italy we may have had programming that wouldn’t start on time or not at all but at least it wasn’t interrupted by ads. I was so confused as a kid seeing gargoyles have a weird spot or two where it would cut off with a dramatic reaction shot then continue with the same or similar one. I had no idea that’s where ads went. I have no idea who ads work on but whoever you are stop buying stuff just because you saw an ad please lol!
At this point, even if they were to reverse all the decisions they’ve made, I have no intention or desire to go back to Reddit. Lemmy has been a great replacement and I’m hoping it’ll only improve over time.
100% agree. I do miss apollo, but I’m sure in time we’ll have some great apps for lemmy as well
Holy Moly! Only 9000 of about 100000 Subs reportedly participate in the protest! Not even 10 percent! Ugh!
. Pretty impressive (and impactful hopefully).Considering only 374 (SFW) servers have over 1 Million users, the percentage of all servers is not really the important metric
Agreed, I am willing to bet the blackout reached at least 40-50% of users in some way.
Yeah try googling questions and you’ll see the results of the blackout. I’ve already had at least 3 questions that would’ve been answered by reddit, but when I clicked the link I couldn’t read it because the community was private
In b4 all the top mods get replaced and all the sub are un privated
To permanently impact reddit, the users and not the mods would need to remove thier own posts
This is one of my biggest fears of Reddit shutting down. The loss of information is going to be significant. Even the wayback machine doesn’t have as many archived posts as it seemed to before now.
I had to put a block on the reddit domain on my searxng instance so I could find stuff without wasting time.
I wish the acronym CPM was defined. Maybe I overlooked it.
Cost per thousand. They don’t define it, because it’s a common metric in advertising.
The constellation of thousand, mille and million will probably confuse people until the end of time.
And Milliarden :)
now don’t confuse them with other languages :-D
CPM probably means Clicks Per Minute.
It’s the price for a thousand impressions of your ad. So, for every thousand times your ad gets displayed to a user, you pay the CPM amount. CPM is short for cost per mille.
long live lemmy 💙
