- Israel soldiers say they found dead babies at a kibbutz near the Israel-Gaza border.
- The IDF told Insider that some had been decapitated.
- The kibbutz was attacked by Hamas on Saturday, and there was fighting there into Sunday.
A spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces told Insider on Tuesday that its soldiers found the decapitated corpses of babies at Kfar Aza, a kibbutz near Gaza.
The spokesperson, Major Nir Dinar, did not say how many babies’ bodies had been found, nor how many had been beheaded.
There hasn’t been independent confirmation of what was found, though other Israeli media have reported the same claim and attributed it to soldiers.
The spokesperson told Insider: “These people are animals. They have butchered women and children in worse ways than ISIS.”
Reports started to emerge on Tuesday that Israeli soldiers had made the grisly discoveries at the self-sustaining rural community near Gaza.
The kibbutz was attacked by Hamas militants on Saturday, with fighting continuing there into Sunday.
Nicole Zedek, reporting for the Israeli news station, i24News, said: “Babies, their heads cut off, that’s what they [the soldiers] said.”
‘IDF says…” yeah I’m just not gonna take their statements at face value at this point in time.
Israeli Disinformation Force
They are already calling Palestinians animals and dehumanizing them so this kind of accusation is going to need some 3rd party confirmation.
I24, the news website referenced for the story in this article, has a record of being unfactual
Overall, we rate i24 News Least Biased based on balanced story selection and minimal editorial bias. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to a few failed fact checks.
So it’s ok for the news to be wrong if it’s only sometimes?
As with most things, the issue isn’t binary. Factual errors are unavoidable to some degree. What is more important is how errors are dealt with (eg, are there retractions, and how visible are they), and how they interact with any editorial bias.
There is a pretty big difference between rigorous but occasionally wrong reporting, careless reporting, and intentionally biased or misleading reporting.
Those are all great points. I’m concerned about how this specific sources (I24) stats hold up against my go-to news sources, AP, DW and Reuters on mediabiasfactcheck.com (which might have it’s own biases, but that’s a whole discussion for another day). I think the best tool we have to combat misinformation is time. War moves quickly, and so does reporting, but that leads to sloppiness. There are also bad faith actors pushing stories to get one side riled up. The longer we wait to jump to conclusions, the better information we have at our disposal. I am thinking about a specific example today about the girl whose body was reported to be paraded around naked; earlier today a story just got posted on here that she’s alive according to her mother. We will only know for sure when a neutral and reputable party verifies this in the near future.
I really want this whole Lemmy thing to work out in the long run and I want to avoid the mistakes made on Reddit that led to witch hunts and misinformation being spread. If everyone could take one thing away from this, it’s to double check multiple sources, be skeptical about who has an agenda to push, and wait for all the information to come out.
I wonder if the folks supporting Hamas yesterday will chime in here, too.
I mean guys, what’s a few baby decapitations in the way of oppression? De-escalation?! No, clearly decapitating babies is the righteous path. /s
To be clear, I think Israel needs to deescalate as well.
Remember: Truth is always the first casualty in an armed conflict. Take everything you read about the situation with a grain of salt.
Jam your head in the sand and support terrorism?
It’s not supporting terrorism. Citizens should not be judged by their worst counterparts. Otherwise, we’d fucking burn America to the ground because Trump ran us deep into nazi territory.
I mean everyone saying ignore the reports and that Hamas would never do anything that bad
We’ve seen what Hamas will do already, and this is also being reported by multiple sources
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If you’re against de-escalation, I don’t give a fuck what you think. Full stop.
Think I made myself plenty clear.
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Again, I made myself clear. Sorry you’re struggling to parse.
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BTW I think the point is that Hamas is a reaction to the israeli oppression, not that it should be supported. Obviously this is disgusting behavior.
Yes I understand.
I didn’t support the US attacking Iraq. I don’t support Hamas attacking Israel.
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
If you understand, then why do you say that people are “supporting Hamas”?
Like, you prop up a strawman argument, then the other commenter clarifies the actual argument, and you say that you understand the actual argument…
Aw your other posts got removed, I think it was because you were being mean to me.
Have a nice day!!
Bloody hell, how pathetic.
You do seem addicted to hurling insults, so I’ve reported you again. Wish you could be civil. Cheers.
Bloody hell, how pathetic.
If you understand, then why do you say that people are “supporting Hamas”?
Because they were, all over Lemmy, since Saturday.
I’ve made myself clear, sorry you’re struggling to parse.
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Seems you’re the one hurling out ad hominems. Reported.
Sorry you’re struggling with your emotions.
Buddy every time someone responds to you about the things you said, you condescendingly respond with “sorry you’re struggling to parse”.
You’re being a jackass. Go on, report me. Prick.
What’s a few decapitated baby’s between frinds
Neither country deseves to exist anymore.
Definitely the worst take I’ve seen so far.
Depends what they mean. Both Hamas and the Israeli government are acting like genocidal maniacs right now. I wouldn’t cry if both governments got toppled, especially in favour of more peaceful and less oppressive ones.
But if they’re just saying 'fuck it, kill everyone ’ then yeah, baaad take.
lol it sounds like they have a Nelson Muntz “Nuke The Whales; gotta nuke something” attitude, which if not meant to be over-the-top door-in-the-face humor, is a pitifully bad take worthy of the downvotes it’s getting.
I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt but their stance is quite clear.
Oof :( what a sociopathic take
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Just nuke the area to all hell, so no one can bitch and moan about who gets what because there is nothing to fight over.
Disgusting, everyone knows you can only kill children AFTER they throw stones at you right IDF?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces told Insider on Tuesday that its soldiers found the decapitated corpses of babies at Kfar Aza, a kibbutz near Gaza.
The spokesperson, Major Nir Dinar, did not say how many babies’ bodies had been found, nor how many had been beheaded.
There hasn’t been independent confirmation of what was found, though other Israeli media have reported the same claim and attributed it to soldiers.
Reports started to emerge on Tuesday that Israeli soldiers had made the grisly discoveries at the self-sustaining rural community near Gaza.
The kibbutz was attacked by Hamas militants on Saturday, with fighting continuing there into Sunday.
Nicole Zedek, reporting for the Israeli news station, i24News, said: “Babies, their heads cut off, that’s what they [the soldiers] said.”
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For anyone like myself that didn’t know what kibbutz means
From Wiktionary;
kibbutz (plural kibbutzim or kibbutzes)
A community, usually an agricultural one in Israel, based on a high level of social and economical sharing, equality, direct democracy and tight social relations.
From Hebrew קִבּוּץ (kibúts), derived from the verb קָבַץ (kaváts, “to gather, collect, assemble”).
So my understanding is it’s basically like a farming village or cooperative?
Either way, any kind of violence or atrocities going on there is horrific.
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