Israeli air strike hits the al-Ahli hospital in Gaza City where thousands are seeking safety and treatment.
  • Veltoss@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Gotta love how they told people to go south then bombed them there, as well as hospitals. And they can just say every target, no matter how many civilians die, was a “Hamas target” and it’s “Hamas’ responsibility to protect civilians” while they indiscriminately bomb these civilians.

    Crazy that more people aren’t speaking up against this.

    • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      They told people to evacuate and then bombed the evacuation routes.

      Israeli spokespersons keep saying they’re fighting Nazis, but I only see Nazis on their side of this.

    • AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      For many it’s the sunk cost fallacy.

      They’ve rhetorically, unreservedly supported Israel for half a century, and they will not be reexamining those intransigent beliefs today, thank you very much.

      "The Doctor: How much blood will spill until everybody does what they’re always going to have to do from the very beginning – sit down and talk! Listen to me, listen. I just – I just want you to think. Do you know what thinking is? It’s just a fancy word for changing your mind.

      Bonnie: I will not change my mind.

      The Doctor: Then you will die stupid."

      -Steven Moffat, excerpt from Doctor Who

    • xuxebiko@kbin.social
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      1 year ago

      Once Palestinians starteing evacuating North Gaza, Israel bombed the humanitarian corridor that they’d declared as safe.

      Russia did the same to Ukrainians last year and EU & NATO & UN supported Ukraine. Now they support Israel.

  • LollerCorleone@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    If it was any other West Asian country doing this, the entire West would be denouncing them and taking action. But because its Israel doing it, this is fine.

    • xuxebiko@kbin.social
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      1 year ago

      the toxic sludge of racism + Islamophobia = support and empowerment for Israel to ethnically cleanse Palestine of Palestinians.

    • trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      1 year ago

      I’m not so sure, we’re pretty self-absorbed in the west. I haven’t heard anything about Kurds in Syria or Saudi Arabia and Yemen lately. There is also the Rohingya in Myanmar and the Uyghur in China, though they aren’t located in West Asia.

    • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      Because there are consequences of you go against the grain. It’s all about money…always. Palestinians have little to no money and influence.

      • thoro@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        It’s sad that this type of comment can be and is often spun as “antisemitism”

        • CoderKat@lemm.eeEnglish
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          1 year ago

          Agreed. It’s also frustrating that the labeling of anything anti-Zionist as anti-Semitism just gives actual anti-Semites the opportunity to claim their actual anti-Semitism is anything but.

        • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          I will never fault someone for standing up for his people. In fact, one has to admire the fact that this person put their money (and reputation) where their mouth is. We strongly disagree on the matter, but antisemitism has nothing to do with it.

          A question, for me, is where is the same pressure from other players? Where are the mega rich Arabs and Muslims pulling their funding because somebody didn’t put out a pro-Palestine message. Step up!

            • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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              1 year ago

              Arabs think of palestians as white trash cousins you don’t want at your wedding…

              I have no idea if this is true or not but it seems like a gross generalization.

              Also, US keeping them on a short lease with arms sales

              Irrelevant. I’m talking about individuals not governments.

          • possibly a cat@lemmy.ml
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            1 year ago

            Where are the mega rich Arabs and Muslims pulling their funding because somebody didn’t put out a pro-Palestine message.

            I think you might be a little confused about the current geopolitics and investment in the area. This flared up in part because SA was giving up on the Palestinians and moving towards accepting a single state under Israeli rule. That’s where most of the local money and power resides and it’s not really aligned with Palestinians.

            On the other hand Iran is Palestine’s ally and they have put their limited money where their mouth us, up to the point of threatening Israel with an invasion if they do not control their hostilities. Afaik they don’t have much investment in Israel and allies to pull out, so threats of military intervention are the tactic that is available to them. The vast majority of investment that exists in order to be pulled in the first place, is invested in Israel. (Afghanistan is a wasteland now but iirc they had also people wanting to travel to defend Gaza fwiw.)

            The pro-Palestinians basically are pulling out all of the stops, it’s just that the pieces on the board are overwhelmingly skewed against them. And the actions they have available are not going to be viewed favorably by citizens of the hegemonic countries (5eyes, etc.) because those actions threaten the relatively unipolar world order. Those actions also won’t be heavily reported on in countries aligned with Israel - unless the purpose is to wrap it in a message that drives jingoism - because it portrays weakness and discrepancies with the official narrative on the region (which is aligned with US-ally SA’s campaign for a single state).

            Looking at other regional stakeholders:

            Lebanon isn’t controlled by the state much right now, but that state wasn’t aligned with Palestine because the government was set up to split the local religions and the final design gave an advantage to the Christians. Waves of left-wing Palestinian refugees from conflict in the south eventually changed the demographics. The West-aligned Christian leaders decided they were a political threat and hostilities broke out, the state received military support from the US which suppressed the resistance for a time, but the situation didn’t really change and there have been various outbreaks since. The tensions remain.

            Jordan allied with displaced Palestinian militants at one point to fight Israel. After the conflict’s resolution, tension grew because the Palestinians were left-wing and Jordan is a monarchy ruled by a royal family. Jordan saw their ideology as a political threat and started bombing their refugee camps, and they Palestinians mobilized in response against the state.

            It’s probably worth mentioning that Palestinian organizations were communist during the Cold War - they had a lot of enemies. It’s my opinion that the current narrative on Palestine in terms of geopolitics is in many ways a continuation of Cold War rhetoric and agendas.

            But the secular element was defeated in elections by Israel-supported Hamas, and now there is a more theological aspect driving the resistance. At one point their official stance was, imo, genocidal - that language was relaxed a few years after the elections and it is now officially a more territorial agenda. On the other hand, we all know how religious extremists act when not kept in check (although we should be careful not to be tricked into thinking all militants, including those giving orders, are religious extremists - reportedly Hamas’ campaign on the 7th was ordered to take hostages and not kill civilians, and that the IDF basically implemented the Hannibal Doctrine against it’s own civilians leading to significant friendly fire casualties [even as reported by an Israeli who was held hostage and later interviewed on Israeli news]; you can see how murky the waters get in a propaganda war).

            Which is why I think the defeat of the secular element was monumentally disastrous for… just about every party on Earth.

            There is also the Palestinian Authority that is somewhat competing with Hamas. They govern different territories but they have two radically different platforms, and as a result they are effectively competing to be recognized as the sole authority over Palestinian lands. The PA is very much trying to distance itself from Hamas right now. However there is a growing opinion that the PA were collaborators and handed Palestine to Israel/SA on a silver platter and paved the way for their own identity to be erased - with SA supporting a one-state solution giving weight to the opinion.

            So… Palestine doesn’t have very many allies.

            As a final note, you do you, but I wonder if you know much about Wexner - and if not, whether you would choose that particular verbiage if you were more familiar with the man. I’m not trying to invalidate your sentiment but I know I personally would have held onto it until a… less reprehensible individual was the subject of discussion.

            • modifier@lemmy.ca
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              1 year ago

              (although we should be careful not to be tricked into thinking all militants, including those giving orders, are religious extremists - reportedly Hamas’ campaign on the 7th was ordered to take hostages and not kill civilians, and that the IDF basically implemented the Hannibal Doctrine against it’s own civilians leading to significant friendly fire casualties [even as reported by an Israeli who was held hostage and later interviewed on Israeli news]; you can see how murky the waters get in a propaganda war).

              Can you share some of the reporting behind this use of ‘reportedly’. I have never seen this reported before though I am admittedly not reading everything.

              • possibly a cat@lemmy.ml
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                1 year ago

                Yeah let me dig it up…

                Here we go

                Disclaimer: Regardless of how much is true or false, this article is what I would call propaganda. (Sometimes that’s all you have to work with.) I’m not sharing it under the pretenses that it is accurate or unbiased.

                • modifier@lemmy.ca
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                  1 year ago

                  It’s difficult to tell if you believe it or not because you’ve referenced it within a larger point about how much confusion there is, but it seems like you believe it enough to repeat it. If so, what about the article makes you believe it or not?