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I wondering how much time will pass for other Omegle emerge? I mean something will fill the gap if there is business you know.
I have a fundamental question about this case: was he there physically with her? Coercion is one thing, but the word “force” implies he was somehow in control. I am in no way defending him, but it reeks terribly of the “look what you made me do” vibe and I feel somewhat uneasy about how this played out.
Omegle was a piece of the internet I never partook in. It never appealed to me to talk with random internet people. Perhaps I don’t understand why he had power over her.
Edit: thanks, I everyone. I get it from a subjective standpoint.
I can only assume but the first few pictures where probably coerced and after wards she was threatened to send more or he would release them. That definitely counts as forced. She was only 11 and this thing went on for 3 years. It’s definitely not just “look what you made me do”.
You can force someone to do something without being physically present.
Noone forced her to send first pictures, she did it herself because her parents were drooling morons who can’t teach their kid how to treat strangers asking for things like that.
Man, this comment is just fucked. Who argues that an 11 year old isn’t the victim for being black mailed?
A internet troll, that’s who. Someone so condescending and self-righteous that they have to link that traumatic experience back to their own childhood to prove how right they are
Who argues that an 11 year old isn’t the victim for being black mailed?
Noone? Doesn’t change the fact that it’s parent’s fault.
Look, I’m not here to open this argument back up with you. Just pointing out that you’re in various posts arguing over pointless crap and asserting you’d do it better.
So true, me doing it better was the subject of the matter, did the voice in your head tell you so?
Nah bud, you said it. You said you were raised right and it wouldn’t have happened to you.
Anyway, I’m over expecting consistency from the way you argue. You don’t really observe that anyway
Perhaps I don’t understand why he had power over her.
One can have leverage over another person by threatening to harm oneself or someone else.
There’s been many cases in omegle of people threatening “show me your boobs or I’ll kill this pet”. If the victim complies, the agressor may continue through blackmailing.
What kind of parenting did you have it you are so spineless you can’t tell blackmailer to go fuck himself? It’s not your fault if he kills his own pet, who cares. He either can’t do it because he’s a pathetic coward, or he kills animals all the time and jerks off to it because he’s subhuman trash, literally not your problem.
Yes, you did read that right, I’m implying 11 year old’s brain can already process it, source: my childhood.
Source: my childhood
Jesus man, you can’t be serious. That is like the epitome of all the “I’m better than you” condescension I’ve seen so far, and I’m not even a quarter way down your profile page
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That’s a pretty flimsy line of thought. You’re losing your edge, bud.
Of course, the point is that only a narcissist would think to compare a child in this situation to themselves in an attempt to find fault, but that’s gonna go over your head because you’re just around to disagree.
Anyway, this is just another example. I’m not gonna engage more than that
So true, adults wouldn’t know what it’s like to be a child, you have to be a narcissist to recall anything about yourself that wasn’t 5 seconds ago.
I honestly can’t tell if you’re still trolling or you really don’t get what’s wrong with what you said. It’s great. You’re an awful human being either way
Shitty parents don’t look at internet history. Even shittier parents blame others for not educating themselves on protecting their kids.
Look at internet history?! That’s the first thing kids learn to clear, right before private mode and free (trial) VPN services. The methods get swapped like candy in school.
May I gently ask if you have kids? My experience is that curious t(w)eenagers always find a way and I say this as someone who runs their own pihole, OPNsense-filtering router. The filter mobile phone networks enable is poor and by the time kids hit 13, they know every trick in the book.
And that’s before you realise screen time restrictions doesn’t actually work fully on iOS.
I’m a network administrator. It’s easy. Do you homework. Watch a YouTube video or something ffs.
It’s not easy. Do you have teenage kids?
I’ve redirected DNS ports. I’m subscribed to an up to date set of filters. I’ve got screen time set up on phones and the kids have non-admin accounts on laptops. But it doesn’t matter.
It doesn’t matter because your kids will attend school. They will meet kids with unrestricted internet access. They will be sent shit in the 100 WhatsApp groups they are in, 40 of which have formed just this week (the old 40 groups?! Awmahgawd you’re not part of the old 40 groups are you? That was so last week!!). Snapchat, Facebook, TikTok, Instagram is FULL of shit you don’t want your kids to see. And you can refuse these for your kids - we were the last hold out amongst their class to give in to some of them, (although dammit I’m dying on the hill of Instagram resistance - they can install that shit when they’re 18; it’s like liquid self-loathing, injected straight into their veins).
Are you refusing your kids to attend that sleep over? I mean, Linda is a nice girl, but Rebecca’s parents couldn’t give a shit and she’ll be there too. Linda’s parents care, but what will Rebecca bring? Oh great, theyve been on Omegle and now I have to speak to my daughter about that hairy, sweaty naked man masturbating in front of them for 2 seconds before Linda and my daughter disconnected. I mean Rebecca thought it was hilarious, of course.
You cannot lock the world down enough that your kids are shielded. All you can do is try to raise them well, to recognise danger and to stand up for themselves.
But that means they’ll do dumb stuff and have some shocks along the way … and the same is true for the parents.
I’m all for Omegle’s right to exist. But for heaven sake there were 10 things they could have done to make it safer for kids.
I have clients who try to break free, yes.
No one can control devices that aren’t under their control, so in that case there’s nothing a parent can do and I wouldn’t place blame on them. It’s the other parents fault.
Who are you arguing is to blame now? What other parents?
Did you read the comment I was commenting on? Probably not. Probably just here to complain because you disagree with me. Blocked. 😘
Autoplaying unrelated videos. Shit wasteful website.
In 2022, there were 608,601 reports of child exploitation on Omegle to the nonprofit National Center for Missing and Exploited Children’s CyberTipline. Of all the sites the center tracked, only Facebook, Google, Instagram, and WhatsApp ranked higher.
That’s a crazy high number. Especially for a live content platform which I assume can only ever have individual reports of live interactions?
Sad to see internet getting regulated. At this pace there would be requirements to link all accounts , everything with government identification documents. Oh its already happening slowly…
Next thing you know there is no more partial anonymous sites and no one can do it without major legal challenges.
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I don’t intend to victim blame or defend any abusers here; this shit is vile and should not be tolerated, period.
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From the below, it sounds like it was determined that, despite Omegle’s moderation efforts, Omegle could have done better in areas relating to age verification and matchmaking. So I’m not trying to defend or minimize Omegle’s role either, I don’t know the details of how the site worked but it sounds like this was a problem for a long time:
the judge in A.M.’s case found last July that Omegle’s design was at fault and it was not protected by Section 230: It could have worked to prevent matches between minors and adults before sexual content was even sent, the judge said.
- However, I really don’t like the choice of phrasing “forced”, and I wonder whether that’s poor paraphrasing or actually taken from the lawsuit.
Her lawsuit, filed in 2021, alleged that she met a man in his thirties on Omegle who forced her to take naked photos and videos over a three-year period. She was just 11 when it began in 2014.
Again, to be clear, not trying to say that the victim should, or even could, have done anything differently. Victim blaming is bad. But how the hell are they saying “forced” to do something by some scumbag over the internet? What kind of conditions does a kid have to be in at home to feel like they can’t turn to their parent/guardian for help in a terrifying situation like that? How is an 11-year-old in 2014 being allowed to get into that situation in the first place, between her parents and her school?
It seems like this victim was failed by every support system she should have been able to rely on. This is so messed up. This is exactly why we need things like sex education and Internet safety education.
children are incredibly easy to influence. “if you don’t do it I will find where you live and harm your family, and do not call the cops/tell your parents” is often enough threat.
This is a failure of parenting. WTF is an 11 year old doing on Omegle?
It just isn’t that simply. I’ve got four kids. At least one of them ended up watching a naked man on Omegle once. And I say this because they were in a group of friends and dared each other on, on a school trip, and they were discovered (one of them felt pretty shocked and told a teacher) and we had a big discussion with her.
Kids do dumb shit all the time. Omegle is (was) very much known about amongst them all.
So, even with careful parenting and a locked down internet, and policies not to have phones upstairs in your room, kids do dumb shit or find a new service that isn’t in your filter, because they’ve heard about it through their friends. I know because my wife and I carefully raise four kids and the internet is a fucking onslaught to a dopamine dependent, approval seeking teenager.
I’m not saying “it’s all Omegle’s fault”. Everyone had a role to play. But let’s not pretend Omegle was blameless.
It’s almost like we should focus on educating them about how to responsibly use the Internet instead of trying to censor their access to it (which as you pointed out, basically never works).
Does anyone actually think shutting down one specific website will make a meaningful difference? Like… really? Did shutting down Napster stop piracy? Did shutting down Silk Road stop online drug sales?
Careful parenting? Everyone had a role to play?
A naked old man had to teach your kid something that you didn’t. I never saw a naked old man online and my parents didn’t limit internet at all.
Hot take, this guy had a great childhood so he expects every single parent to hover over their kids so that they don’t see something they aren’t supposed to. Oh, and if it’s an accident that’s still your failure as a parent.
Man, this is an awful take.
So true, I totally wrote that I expect parents to hover over their kids despite writing complete opposite.
I guess you were never invited to the lemonparty then.
I don’t follow random links, that’s like common sense.
Counterpoint, I clicked on many random links, and saw many things I probably “shouldn’t have” as a kid/teen, still turned out alright I think.
Even on Omegle in particular, after like one day, you gotta expect the dicks and move on lol
I frequented 4chan at age 13-16 so saw pretty much everything one could see on the Internet.
I’m not going to argue it was good or bad, but it’s not like it permanently fucked me up to the point of not being able to function as an adult later in life.
There’s also the privacy vs protection argument here, if sites require verification that you’re over 18 or w/e that then means you have to provide some sort of identification, what happens if that site is hacked? Or bad actors use that information to blackmail you in some fashion.
It’s a hard situation and I don’t know what the right answer truly is.
The right answer is to treat teenagers like beta testers for adulthood and let them have some autonomy when it comes to these things but only a pedophile would think like this or something.
Still, war games don’t make killers, why would 4chan make antisocial loser? Just as an example. I think it’s other way around, antisocial losers get exposed to 4chan the most.
This whole “x will fuck you up” thing never made sense to me. If truth makes things stop working then things never worked. It’s normal to feel sick from watching a gore video, but there’s something wrong with your life if it can “ruin” your life.
The way your parents raise you for first years of your life till you have something that can be called a personality basically defines everything you will do afterwards and blaming anything else just seems stupid to me.
Trolling. You have no idea what schemes kids can invent when they’re not raised like infantile retards. A 11 year old should know to be wary of random strangers it’s like 6 years too late for that even. What they do with this is honestly their problem. I’m not too sure, but I don’t believe that I was the only kid on this planet that didn’t know that telling your home address online is stupid.
So have you heard of emotional violence or exploitation? That’s how that works over the internet. You don’t need to be in the same room to be forced to do something if you’re vulnerable.
Lol no, there’s literally nothing I can do to you to force you to do anything, not even to admit that your stupid opinion is nonsense.
But how the hell are they saying “forced” to do something by some scumbag over the internet?
There was a group from Brazil doing stuff like that and got publicized when they were arrested recently. Usually they’d coerce the minor into sending one picture, then use it as blackmail against them to give them more. They might even gaslight them to convince them that they’ll get in big trouble if they tell anyone and it’ll just get worse for them.
I’ve seen full fledged adults taken hard by scammers and willingly giving them thousands of dollars against their own interests, and they heavily distrust and resist anyone trying to help them. I can only imagine accomplishing that with a child that lacks long term thinking skills is even more effective.
Literally a black mirror episode
God, this entire comment section is nothing but
“I’m not victim blaming, but…”
“personal responsibility”
“parents should be doing blah blah blah…no, I don’t have kids.”
The best parents in the world still can’t control what their kids are doing every second of every day. Kids will always find ways around every single thing that’s meant to restrict what they can do, see, or hear. I’m sure you never did stuff you weren’t supposed to when you were a kid…right?
Yeah, and we could shut down the Internet all together… or we could be realistic about prevention.
And yes, I accessed lots of ‘sensitive’ material online as a kid well before this website existed. So I find it hard to blame this specific website…websites come and go. I do however absolutely blame the creep himself since they are the one who did something wrong. Not the website.
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Parents fault, not the site.
Not trying to victim blame here but what kind of idiot parent lets an underage child on the internet unrestricted. Like godam what do u think goes on online.
COPPA
children under 13 can’t be online unsupervised
I think you forgot this: /s
Oh, buddy, all of them
not all of them but most
what kind of idiot parent lets an underage child on the internet unrestricted
All of them? The only restrictions my parents gave were about the amount of time I spent there and it’s the same story with all my friends.
Please don’t lump me in with your irresponsible parents please and thank you.
Back in the dial up days, my dad installed a switch in the phone socket in his room (which was wired before the phone socket in the computer room) so he could disable the internet at night. I used to sneak in while he was snoring and crawl around the bed to switch it back on.
Point being, there’s only so much you can do to prevent kids from accessing things they shouldn’t. The right way to parent is to try and direct your kids towards the right things, but also offer age-appropriate yet honest explanations for the things they do find. But it’s a difficult balance, as kids get older they deserve more privacy, and it’s difficult enough for an individual to stay ahead of the tech curve than to keep your whole family on top of it.
Though it’s not entirely without risk, I’m glad my parents, friends’ parents and school did when I was a kid. I find it somehow sad if today’s kids aren’t exploring the web + world on their own (with advice) some of the time, and figuring out how to act carefully outside of the walled gardens, getting to know themselves and preparing for the realities of life.
what kind of idiot parent lets an underage child on the internet unrestricted.
I’m 35, and I have been online pretty much unrestricted since I’m 11/12ish. But yes, I saw some shits.
I’m really confused am I supposed to have heard of this website apparently everybody haves been using it for over a decade and I feel like I’m from a parallel universe. What the hell is this website?
Disgusting that the shutdown note tried to play off their serious issues with grooming and sexual abuse and claim they did a lot. Fuck that asshole. They should search his hard drive.
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The design of the website clearly had serious issues. As example, the matchmaking should have been massively reworked.
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They can’t account for people lying about their age. She started using the platform at 11. I’d be curious to know what profile info she did enter, and what age that displayed her as.
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As a child, ultimately her parents are responsible. They should be held accountable for putting their child in danger.
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The groomer was a predator, same as if lurking on the playground. They must be charged to the maximum possible.
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I’m honestly surprised it took this long
Everyone jokes about all the wild shit that happened on Omegle, but all that shit was never ‘ok’.
That’s nuts! I thought that Omegle was text only. I had no idea that they paired you with people on video. WTF thought that was a good idea?!?
I frequent Omegle too when it was text only, like more than a decade ago. Had a good time and didn’t see a single dick.
It had video for a reeeaally long time.
Archived version: https://archive.is/0eou1
