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Remember back when Elon kept calling himself a Free Speech Absolutist? That just gets funnier every day.
The_donald was the only lesson I needed and learning what conservatives thought of free speech.
It would be interesting to know what conservatives actually believe. By this point we’ve broken down each and everyone of their professed beliefs and found nothing of substance.
Here is a list of things I remember conservatives use to say their ideology was based on:
*Christian morals - You can even look back at their warped version of Christian morality from 1970s forward and still say today that Trump has fully exposed them to be baseless
*Small government - Trump and Co are actively trying to expand government authority and have successfully taken away the rights of woman all over the US
*Democracy - Trump told democracy to go fuck itself Jan. 6 2021
*Capitalism - Capitilism for the serfs socialism for the capitilists
*American Exceptionalism - At some point America but I’m not going to say win.
*No Child Left Behind - jk jk we knew that was bullshit from the get go
*Free speech - ahem I mean free ‘hate’ speech. all other speech is negotiable.
The list goes on my dudes. Would love to know what these people really believe. My guess is nothing. They are just mad and acting out. We’ve all seen it growing up. The people who just refuse to help themselves no matter what you do and you’re constantly picking up the pieces for them.
Copied this from another post I made… things make more sense when you realize what their true core principle is.
There is a good Adam Conover podcast episode where he interviews Corey Robin. In the episode Robin states the main premise of his book, which is that the central underlying ideology of the right is the belief that some people are better than others and deserve to be in power. A lot of the rights’ beliefs and ideas evolve over time but they evolve in service of that core idea. It’s the one thing that stays consistent over time going back to the french revolutions.
Multiracial, multiethnic, international cooperation, helping the homeless, helping the poor. No matter how you spin it by trying to convince them of the benefits ect, the right will never be on board. They don’t believe those groups deserve help or should be helped. They fundamentally believe it is morally good to depower certain groups and empower other groups.
That one idea explains so much of the rights blatant hypocrisy. Welfare disproportionality going to red states is good because it’s going to the good people. Rich people getting richer is good because it’s going to the good people. Hurting minorities is good because they are the bad people, helping them is bad. Some people are innately worthy and some people are not. Anything the good people do is good, anything the bad people do is bad. The same action can be good or bad depending on who is doing it.
They believe in winning and they will say anything in furtherance of that goal.
Care to elaborate that bit about capitalism?
As a non-American, I’ve been struggling to understand how Americans use these terms. Sure, I’ve seen plenty of “capitalism good, socialism bad” rhetoric, but what do people actually mean when they use them? Your example was particularly interesting, because it sounds like you’re implying that Trump promised capitalism, but failed to deliver.
I also remember a bunch of people saying Elon will preserve free speech. It looked like a cult.
Right-wingers only seem to care about free speech when it applies to themselves. Anyone else and they’ll get talking of “defeating the woke mind virus” or whatever ridiculous way they decide to demonize others.
Reminds me of that Sartre quote
Anyone who follows the alt-right, did Joe or anyone else go ape shit over this yet? I’m assuming that because they were going crazy over the previous Twitter about certain infractions under the old guard that this new shit must be driving them crazy. Being free speech activists and all that.
Cant wait for the Jordan peterson video
Who the fuck is still on Xitter? Jesus people, get the hell out of there!
Lots and lots of people, apparently. And lots of those really really should know better.
Stop supporting that shithole, people.
A lot of researchers whose built a network on it. It’s not as easy as it seems for them to switch to another social media. Each connection is important to know about new articles when they come out.
Too fucking bad. Also that’s like .002% of the people there, at most.
X it’s the new “Truth Social”
Elon bought it to make it the christofascist heaven on earth.
More like 𝕏 is our generations swastika
As a wayland user I agree.
I found this unnecessarily funny
Are you sure? Here’s real modern swastika:
Although this is not current generation swastika, this is 1970-ies generation swastika.
The Russia today is the same Russia as yesterday and all days before that.
America, like Germany, will elect their new Fascist regime. Enabled by people like Musk, who makes a good modern stand in for Goebels.
History doesn’t repeat, but it sure does rhyme.
When I was young I literally couldn’t comprehend a world where someone like Hitler was elected… by a majority, in a democracy!! It boggled my mind… now, now I get it.
Hitler was elected… by a majority, in a democracy!!
He wasn’t. November 32 the NSDAP was down to 33.1% from their previous 37.4% in Juli the same year. Even in the March 33 elections which generally are considered to have been unfree the NSDAP only got 43.9% (widespread voter intimidation). Zentrum (catholic conservatives) offered themselves as stirrup holders, but they still didn’t have the necessary 2/3rd majority to pass the enabling act. So they arrested and intimidated people, the whole KPD (Stalinists) was either in prison or fleeing, 26 out of 120 SPD parliamentarians (Socdems), all other MPs fell in line under threat of violence (and/or the party whip), leaving only 94 SPD MPs to vote against, giving them 68.6%. Just before that vote they changed procedure (with simple majority) so that imprisoned etc. MPs would be counted as present as otherwise the vote would not have passed the quorum.
You can say the whole thing was technically legal. It certainly was not morally legal. Letter vs. spirit of the law and everything. Be that as it may it’s the reason why the current constitution is written way better, the only way in which something like an enabling act could happen nowadays if there was a free referendum – actually free, without voter intimidation and everything, replacing the whole constitution.
What’s also notable is that the Nazis even bothered with that charade. Similarly to other authoritarian regimes they swing about legalities like a thurible to give the impression of legitimacy. Just in case you’re wondering why Russia is going to have presidential elections soon: What they’re saying with that is “we have the power to bend law as we please, thus we’re in charge, deal with it”. In Putin’s case in particular it’s showing that he has enough power over the state apparatus to have the ballots stuffed.
I don’t understand why people don’t collectively quit Twitter and flock to Mastodon. It’s very simple, it’s better for everyone
Because for the previous 15ish years before Musky got a hold of it it was actually decently regarded. Many people turned to it for up to date news and trusted it. It was a place where brands could interact with customers, celebrities with fans, etc. It had built up trust. People are having a hard time letting that go.
Because they don’t care
Why are you booing me I’m right
Censorship for thee, not for me.
No official, public explanation. We know why…
Anyone who expects the bourgeoisie to platform those whose politics are a threat to capitalist interests is a fool.
it’s funny because even Elon’s ego is a threat to capitalist interests, look how much he’s tanked their company value! Honestly I’m cheering for his self-destructive downward spiral to continue - tw*tter was always a cesspool, decent people should have left years ago.
Any day a venture capitalist fails spectacularly at screwing people over is a good day.
Don’t care. The only people that can get kicked off of shitter are people still on shitter propping up it’s waning credibility. There are no respectable people left on shitter because you can no longer simultaneously be there and be respectable.
Remember when Musk painted himself as a free speech absolutist who would bring freedom to Twitter, and all of his fanboys believed him, and when he never delivered none of them did ever fucking care?
It’s still free for them. In their mind, that’s all that counts.
It’s not free speech unless you mute people telling you you’re wrong when you speak.
“Free speech is me telling you what to believe.”
I don’t know who said this, probably someone famous.
time to follow them on mastodon I guess.
a cartoon squirrel that tweets media criticism of figures like Glenn Greenwald
I don’t know what it says about me that I know about the squirrel, but it’s not nothing
I don’t like that, “leftist”, has become a word used outside conservative circles. It sounds shitty and is as meaningless as, “rightist”.
From a casual outside (the US) observer it just seems like it’s the price that gets paid in a two party state where there are apparently no centrists. Americans give me the impression that it’s either team Red or team Blue. Does anybody ever say: “I like a bit of this… but I also like a bit of that.”?
Yes, there are some who say that. They get agreed with in person, ignored at the local party/voting level, scoffed at by media, screamed at in general on the internet, and scolded on places like lemmy or reddit (if not screamed at). There are policies that I like that for some reason have to be lumped in with policies I detest no matter which party I look at. One party (fucking GOP) is way worse than the other, but try to have a rational discussion with anonymous or outside-of-your-social-circle people, and any criticisms of a party are like blaspheming their god.
There are plenty of us. The problem is the two party state. Any independent or centrist candidate is going to get drowned out.
Also doesn’t help that the USA political spectrum consists of “right” and “far right” so while they may call it “left” it’s only left compared to the far right.
Good point. The idea that Bernie Sanders (?) is seen as ultra left wing is incredible to me. Americans would probably spontaneously combust if they got to read some of the left of centre manifestos from relatively normal European parties.
They used to use liberal like it was something to be ashamed of. And I think they thought we were ashamed of it too. They finally figured out we don’t have a problem with calling ourselves liberal, so they came up with a new word.
It’s to entrench the far right audience so that Elon Musk can monetize and enrich right wing extremists. He knows that one reason they struggle to bring Apartheid to America again is that many of the hillbillies who support them are broke. Well now, if you’re attractive, you can go on Twitter and if you spew enough unchecked, reactionary bullshit, you can get yourself a condo. They might even make you a fucking Senator.
Are we allowed to say he’s gone mask off yet?
musk on, mask off
