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      Consider how out-of-touch vast swathes of Americans are on foreign affairs, or even on domestic affairs, and it’s pretty reasonable IMO. I suspect a major chunk of the people answering this don’t even know that anything significant has changed in the past few months and this “genocide/not-genocide” answer is just based on their vague general knowledge of the usual Israel/Palestine interaction.

      Frankly, I think 1/3 answering “genocide” sounds positive to me. That’s enough to perhaps make some politicians think “maybe I can’t wholeheartedly throw complete support behind Israel and not have to worry about it having an electoral impact this time.”

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      100% agree that we should use the term with caution and precision. That said, Israel is committing a genocide.

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          I know this is a troll but just to be clear the role of the ICJ is literally to determine whether Israel’s alleged actions are capable of being covered by the Genocide Convention. Today they decided that this is indeed the case and the measures they announced, as meager as they are, are legally binding.

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            Calling someone names because they disagree with you isn’t helpful to the conversation, if that is indeed why you are here.

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        The bar for plausibility is very low, and rightly so, because the intention is to intervene early and protect civilians. The court will most likely issue an order to stop the fighting for humanitarian reasons. However, it will probably take a couple of years before they make a determination regarding the allegations of genocide.

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          Had to re read this a few times. Civilians are dying. The UN should stop it on humanitarian grounds. But hey, it’s the people calling it a genocide that need to be focused on. 🤔

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    If that headline said one third of Americans don’t believe Israel is commiting genocide which is also an accurate from the results it would set a very different tone.

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    Imagine you, your friends and your family get killed and washed away from your land, and 2/3 of US people don’t believe it’s genocide.

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      10 months ago

      Murdering people at a music festival and taking hostages might have an effect on public perception.

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        The problem is, before they wemt on that murdering spree, the western world pretty much ignored their plight, or maybe tutted when they chucked a rocket or two over the border. But any kind of “proper” political solution was flatly ignored. It’s not a justification, but I have to say that I umderstand why that situation led to a “fuck it, let’s just rampage” attitude. And look, they actually have a tonne of eyeballs and attention on their shitty situation (and shitty leaders), so maybe something will come of this. Palestinians are paying an exorbitantly heavy price for it, though.

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          It’s not a justification, but I have to say that I understand why that situation led to a “fuck it, let’s just rampage” attitude.

          Reminds me of this.

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          Sure, but again - if you murder people at a music festival and take hostages, even if you might have reasons to do so - you can expect quite a lot of people to not be on your side. The only thing for sure is that terrorists won that one.

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            Sure, but again, if you indiscriminately kill innocent people in Gaza and destroy the very last university, even if you might have reasons to do so - you can expect quite a lot of people to not be on your side. The only thing for sure is that Israel won that one.

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              Absolutely. Not sure why you would think I don’t understand the hatred Israel is getting.

              The only thing for sure is that Israel won that one.

              Not sure what Israel won, despite making sure there will be another generation of Palestinian freedom fighters with rather questionable methods.

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                I wasn’t making a statement about you, I just wanted to demonstrate the statement can be made in any way.

                I agree, Israel bred the Hamas of tomorrow for sure. But they did win in terms of getting closer to turning Gaza into a settlement.

            • Still peddling these lies huh? You watched the video of the university explosion. Was it not already bombed out and partially collapsed?

              Is it indiscriminate killing if you literally call the people in the phone first and tell them bombs are coming?

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        Two wrongs don’t make a right. A county based on abrahamic religion should know that. It just proves that they don’t actually believe in their own religion and only hide behind it whenever it’s convenient for them, like saying anybody who disagrees with them supports Hamas.

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          Two wrongs don’t make a right

          Absolutely agree.

          A county based on abrahamic religion should know that

          Dude, have you seen all the shit countries based on abrahamic religions have done through out the history?

          ike saying anybody who disagrees with them supports Hamas.

          And the other side says that anyone disagreeing with them is a genocidal nazi. I would say the whole discussion at this point is rather heated and fucked up.

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      Average Us public have no clue what is going on in their own country, it is actually amazing there 1/3 know at least there is a genocide taking place.

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    As I understand the term genocide, that seems not to exactly be what is happening here. Although one could say it certainly rhymes with it.

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      35% say it is, 36% say it isn’t, with 29% undecided.

      Seems the headline makes it seem that way, but in reality we seem to be having a close race

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        Considering we have a population of 331,464,948, I would say it’s not lol

        I personally think we’re committing genocide, but I would imagine a sample size that is under 1% of the US population is small

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          A sample size of 1,659 out of a population size of 334,914,895, with a population proportion of 50% and confidence level of 95% gives an error margin of 2.41%.

          1,659 is a fine sample size.

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              If there’s anything I would not fault somebody about, it’s misunderstanding sampling in a statistical sense. Just about the biggest case of “plug into formula and pray” of all of my classes I took. I’m looking back and it’s just Greek letters to me now…

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                Oh yes, it’s not meant as a slight. It’s just something that humans need to be aware of. Just like how we need a forklift to move a one-ton object, we need to run calculations and trust the math when doing statistics.

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    2/3rds of Americans aren’t fucking morons based on this reporting. Still a scary number of idiots.