This comment was first downvoted, like, 10s after i posted it, thought it was by you so i mentioned it.
This post&comment were downvoted because of Elon Musk, and i believe they/we are mistaken, if i don’t say it there’s not a lot of people here who would. Since i’ve already inquired about “your” arguments on E.Musk, i’m maintaining my accusation of a hivemind mentality until i’m standing corrected, any person who passionately hate him have very weak arguments in the end, but it’s not only the case about him, at least few people hate him because many lies were spread by our government, even if he received his share of lies(, e.g. the emerald mines and more).

Your observation is weird because every datapoint on this graph is here to stay, it’s not a measurement, i don’t get it, you obviously don’t believe that the curb is gonna go up, and at most i could be accused of stating something that everyone knew for years, not something that people find hard to believe in.

Don’t know if it matters to point that out but, as stated here, the Starship has a capacity of 100-150 tons, for a gross mass of ~4600 tons(, 200-3400 tons for the booster depending on the fuel, and 120-1200 tons for the Starship itself depending on the fuel as well, at least if i understood correctly the wikipedia article, it doesn’t seem like the capacity is very high so it’s a bit weird, but it’s mostly confirmed elsewhere).
They’ve demonstrated that it’s doable, succeeding 3 times and failing twice. Hence, they’ve demonstrated that they’re able to carry a payload into space, feel free to learn that you were wrong in your assessment(, like me/everyone on many topics,) and yet to downvote this comment as well 👍

Yeah, and the curve would be even worse if the y-axis was linear b.t.w. 🤷

On one side you have single-use rockets, and on the other side they’re reusable, it’s no wonder that the launch cost was reduced, don’t really look like a deception, but sure, since you instantly downvoted my answer you believe that this chart is still deceiving, ok
And the estimate is confirmed all over the internet since (the first versions of )Starship have been built, and even launched multiple times.
Not that i care anyway, just thought that it was a nice infographic(, especially since the y-axis is on a log scale), i’ll guess that it’s probably because of E.Musk that most of you are blindly displeased.
Sure, a second downvote in a few minutes w/o arguments now, w/e…

This third downvote for an absolutely factual answer on my part gives me the occasion to clarify something, since i’m convinced you only have a problem with E.Musk and not space exploration.
So for those wondering, and eventually the mods wondering if they should censor this post for Musk apologia : i’m opposing E.Musk on his criticisms towards trans-rights and because he’s pro-capitalism(, like the majority of the world population, feel free to hate them as well).
However, i’m supporting him because i’m an accelerationist and he’s n°1 in this regard, i’m also an ecologist, and i’m a libertarian and he saved 𝕏 from the same censorship fate that can be observed on Meta and Youtube(, and reddit for that matter). He’s also strangely opposed to neo-cons, e.g. by not being anti-China, even if i couldn’t have asked for that much.
There are many people that i love/admire despite disagreeing with them on some/many topics, the same goes for you unless you’re hating everyone else(, or mistakenly&strangely believe that everyone agrees with you).
And i’m opposing every single one of those here who are unable to disagree with the m.s.m. on a single issue, the same herd mentality that made me flee the reddit hivemind, it’s everywhere and you’re not different, isn’t it really weird how unanimous our medias are ? Yeah w/e, censor this post and/or ban me, or not i.d.c.

lol, kinda amazing that it’ll become pertinent to ask this for the next generations(, probably not before the construction of a space elevator though).
We’re only little mammals and now are leaving the planet, as far as we know we’d be the first earthlings to do so, what a step.

The chart seems to have emerged from an apparently famous report(, p.13, discussed there), whose taking its source from the Center for Strategic and International Studies, an american think tank.

As for the estimated cost of Starship, a cost inferior to $300/kg(, sometimes below $100/kg) seems confirmed all over the internet after a quick research, although the prices are varying, with many articles(, e.g.,) speaking about an aim below 10$/kg.
However, interestingly enough, the only contradiction i found came from wikipedia, since a capacity of 100.000-150.000kg for a current launch cost of $100.000.000 would imply a cost of 666-1000$ per kg.

I’ve probably made mistakes while checking all of this, so feel free to dive deeper in order to explain the differences between SpaceX’s estimates and the wikipedia page.

I’m trying to write something interesting, you’re not 👎
It’s easy to write something that everyone will agree with, but it’s less useful/interesting i.m.h.o.
Yeah, among the affirmations that i knew would displeased the crowd in my last comment, Elon Musk is freaking awesome, better than all of you combined. You’ll probably have difficulties to find where you disagree with the mainstream medias or the Lemmy users/mindhive(, try it, have you found at least one disagreement ?), and not even ask yourself why you don’t have real/solid reasons to hate better people than you, sick.
Nobody will change their mind through insults or mod censorship, having the mass behind you doesn’t mean you’re right if you’re unable to argue(, which, as you’ll convince yourself, you could easily do but don’t want to, don’t feed the troll or w/e). Being a bunch of haters is one thing, but doing so without solid arguments is another, don’t be surprised that sheeple is a word, we’ve simply seen the level of your (non-)argumentation online(, often inexistent, or a 1000 times worse than in newspapers, even if, beyond being recruited/fired by their capitalists owners, journalists have to suck since they usually have to write multiples(!) articles/day, not one per week or even month, so it’s unavoidable).

It’s much more so the work you do that’s important, not the idea itself.

Yes and no, i’m not talking about technicians(, even though in a team of technicians there’s still some persons better than the average), but about scientists emiting theories, there’s a reason why theorems or units of measures have the name of a person, and the book cited in the selftext is another justification : some scientists are known in their field for being important(, some are important/known mostly because of their positions, but others because of their groundbreaking ideas/discoveries).
But sure, it’s a teamwork, especially when putting theory into practice.

As for the other argument, i don’t want to have someone good at that kind of performance, i’m not talking about entertainment but about someone unknown and passionate about h.er.is field of study, who cares if s.he is in front of the camera for the first&last time of h.er.is life, it could eventually be prepared beforehand, but i’m not talking about the guests invited by Lex Friedman, such as Neil deGrasse Tyson or other popularizers/showmen, they may be scientists as well but i wasn’t talking about them(, some emissions search&invite such people but there’s only a few).

As i said it’s natural that we’re choosing entertainment over, e.g., studying manuals after work, it’s not a real criticism but it’ll hopefully change one day(, retrieving the level of the aristocrats of the past, but for everyone this time), which shouldn’t be difficult since almost everyone wants to be better/more, just that life usually seems too ‘time-consuming’&short for that.

(i’ve also realized today that my favorite people, mostly Raphaël Enthoven(, i’d never reach his level in a century, really glad that there’s at least one person like him,) and Étienne Chouard, but also Idriss Aberkane and kinda François Asselineau, and clearly Elon Musk as well, are all hated by the population(, or at least the french lemmy instance), of course we’ll ignore God, hate other countries, and belittle our superior ancestors(, the least writing of the past is still written in a better way than the best conversation on Lemmy), i’m feeling at odd, there’s either a problem with me or with society and it’s kinda annoying sometimes, and the so-called “reasons” are so absurd, similarly to how Lemmy will hate Trump on, e.g., him saying that some immigrants ate pets or any other argument really, for most people we’ve been told to hate even if we’ve never accomplished anything ourselves, we don’t even realize the problem with our absence of any real/solid argument, people in real life are way better than online, perhaps because we don’t really care about making efforts online since it’ll be forever lost to time, it’s not a reflection of society)

I personally prefer a picture because most softwares for browsing Lemmy require to load the whole post in order to read the selftext, but agree with your arguments/explanations, so if that ever happens again i’ll try not to forget to accompany the picture with a transcript.
Thank you very much for such an answer/explanation.

Oh, ok, thanks for the explanation, their software usually has an OCR feature since we can nowadays easily read much harder pictures than this one though, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to browse most social medias. Seems like this recommendation is 10 years too old if i’m not mistaken.
Even better : since a description of the scenery would be more useful to them for some memes/pictures, but more difficult to do for the o.p., i don’t think it’ll be long until free softwares offer them a description of pictures in their favorite style of description(, since, after all, large language models like ChatGPT can already do this).

It’d have been easy for me to copy-paste the text in the selftext, i’ll try to remember this if there’s a next time and thus interpret this rule as “no picture unless accompanied with a transcript”, unless i’m wrong in this interpretation.
Thanks again for this information.

Still, some are closer to the source of these ideas than others, think about awards attributed to individuals for example. And if our “idols” are singers, actors, politicians, or youtubers, then we’ll produce singers, actors, politicians, or youtubers. Why don’t we have more emissions that will interview each week a researcher on h.er.is studies ? Just that we’ll have the population we deserve, that’s all.
Also, they bring everything but the money goes to the investors(, not really what Ayn Rand claimed).
And we’re using objects everyday without understanding how they work.
For now, we’re working all day and spend our free time entertaining ourselves and spending time with our family, i’d certainly be wrong to judge, but if our time ever gets liberated(, e.g., with machines, longevity, …), then i just hope that our civilization will seek a higher purpose than entertainment 🤷.

What a weird rule, do you know why it exists ?
What should i have done to post this information then ?

From the article cited : https://www.axios.com/2024/08/18/hamas-rejects-us-ceasefire-hostage-proposal

More specifically, Hamas objects to the fact that the proposal doesn’t include a permanent ceasefire or comprehensive Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

Or from https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/19/middleeast/blinken-israel-herzog-ceasefire-talks-intl-hnk/index.html for example :

Netanyahu shot back, saying Israel will not be “giving in to Hamas’s demand” to end the war in Gaza as a condition of a deal.
“The Prime Minister has strongly insisted on this fundamental demand, which is vital to achieving the goals of the war, and Hamas changed its position,” a statement from his office said Sunday. “The Prime Minister will continue to work on advancing a deal that will maximize the number of living hostages and which will enable the achieving of all of the war objectives."

Meanwhile, i’ve read 3 newspapers articles this morning(, in french), and they were only talking about the Egypt-Gaza border as the reason for why the deal was refused.

Edit : I guess it’s implied that a permanent ceasefire will follow in the “second phase”, and a reconstruction in the third one. This comment was useless, sorry, it seems indeed that the problem came from the new israeli demands.
It won’t end the many problems that Palestinians have to face, including the colonization, their many hostages, and everything else.
If Israel can’t offer anything, and its allies won’t offer anything else, then they can still offer to be an islamic sect with jewish characteristics, recognizing Muhammad’s prophethood(, peace be upon him), and their neighbours as sisters/brothers, as one community. They wouldn’t lose anything really but add traditions on top of their current ones, while staying different, muslims waited a long time to be accepted by the previous generation. It’d help, Israel would be an islamic land, more specifically of the old jewish sect who celebrates Muhammad as the last Prophet, but with others muslims as well.
If Israel took the heart of France, then we wouldn’t care as long as they fused with the rest of France later on.

Don’t move the goalposts. You didn’t say we don’t. You said we aren’t able. We absolutely are.

Oh, i agree then, except in the case of apology of terrorism/enemies.

And indeed Palestine is easy( tell that to our medias and governments though), but i’d be interested if you know of a counter-example to our double standards(, at least once we’re interested in a conflict, it’s at this moment that we attribute a range of good and evil people, and are disinterested in the fate of the supposedly evil ones).

Yeah no, we don’t , double standard is everywhere. People would be surprised that you’re touched as much by something happening in your “tribe” than outside of it.

Just take the massacre currently happening in Palestine if you want the most recent example, some lives are more important to us than others, there’s a difference between what we proclaim our values to be and our practice of them.

We could be united in diversity though, instead of hating so many countries

Yes and no, while i do agree that this is considered normal behaviour, i also long for a world in which we would be able to say “there’s a bombing !” with as much anguish whether its in ‘the U.S.’/Europe, or in the Middle-East, Africa, etc.
It’s not that much normal i think, and more the sign of a current problem.

If it’s so obviously stupid, then your argument is… ?

Why do we not find strange that we shouldn’t say with anguish “there’s been a bombing !” for something happening in the Middle-East, but only in the west ?

Thanks for your comment, may i have your opinion on this answer ? https://lemmy.world/comment/5083460

Anyway, apparently other people here don’t find it that interesting(, just like one more bombing in the Middle-East compared to a bombing in the west,) so there’s probably nothing to learn by arguing any further.

There’s been a bombing

Place is implied. Could be anywhere in the west, if i’m in France it works for the south//north of France, the United Kingdom, America, Australia, or any country i feel like i belong to, that is in my tribe.
But if you say afterwards :

There’s a bombing in some place

And that place is in the Middle-East, or in Afghanistan, we would say “yeah, of course, like yesterday and probably tomorrow, no need to be surprised”

It’s more about an event happening often or not than a geographical positioning. No need to be surprised if it happens frequently, which is perhaps mainly what striked me in the sentence, we grew accustomed to something that shouldn’t.
But thanks for wanting to correct me, it’s nice to have a chat with other people than from Lemmygrad for once.

Oh, ok, so that’s because we’re not concerned by this, they’re not “us”, understood.
(it’s not geographical since europeans will be more impacted by deaths in the west than, e.g., in Africa, it’s more of a tribal thing)

I also hesitated to post « If you always agree with “the”( only) point of view of mainstream medias, then you should find it weird », because it’s different in foreign medias that we never read(, iranian, venezuelan, russian, chinese, zimbabwean, …), we usually call “foreign medias” those who are still in the west and aligned with our international policies. But i thought that this sentence was even more im14andthisisdeep material than showerthought, do you agree ?