hot take?
Edit: got nothing against Ubuntu, it’s Linux after all and that’s what matters 🌻 Edit2: people took this very seriously for being a shower thought…
Anyone using Ubuntu is one person less using windows. I call that a win. Everyone has to start somewhere!
Windows is so dominant in the market that not using it is still named after them.
I got on Lemmy being a previous user of Yellow Dog, Ubuntu, Red Hat, Debian, and a couple other random spin ups when I had free time. Since I have been on Lemmy I have decided to not spend any spare time on Linux distros. Reminds me of YouTubes 50 million ads everywhere. I need to boycott both.
I started on Debian potato and used pretty much every distribution at sone point, often three at a time. I’ve used Ubuntu for the last five years because it’s easy, stable and upto date. I know people get very minmax about their choice of os and I love that but yeah we need to remember when we say it’s ‘fine’ or ‘good enough’ that yeah it’s not race tuned or weaponised or whatever special builds people are making but ita still much much better than windows.
Ubuntu was my training wheels 15 years ago
i still use it, from all these years.
thinking of hopping soon tho
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That’s assuming their eyes don’t just glaze over from a lack of understanding what you’re on about.
to an average user, using ubuntu gives hipster vibes, using most other distros gives neckbeard vibes
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Yeah, that’s the point
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Hey man idk why you’re being so hostile to people responding to you, but it is the point OP is making. They’re saying that ANY Linux distro, including Ubuntu, are seen as ‘hipsters’ to average PC users, but within the Linux community Ubuntu is very basic AKA not hipster.
Off the top of my head, the easiest analogy is that having your favorite song be Creep by Radiohead might be seen as kinda alternative/hipster to someone who listens to pop music, but to anyone in the indie community or radiohead fans, it’s seen as the opposite.
Non-Linux users: “Ubuntu looks so hard to use!”
Beginner Linux users: “Ubuntu is the best desktop distro.”
Linux Hobbyists: “Ubuntu sucks, I use Arch BTW.”
Linux Professionals: “Ubuntu is the best desktop distro.”
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Fuckin love ubuntu despite knowing it’s a cold take. How about that dogshit?
Oh snap
The snap infrastructure is indeed what some object to the most.
That’s why I finally switched away from it. Currently doing a stint with Fedora 40 on my laptop; it’s pretty slick.
Im of the opinion that the distro is far less important than the Desktop Environment. Ubuntu only really “feels like Ubuntu” because of GNOME.
I’m done with Ubuntu, after it had glaringly obvious bugs in 4 seperate releases right after booting the default install.
I’m talking, system starts and the first thing you see is a crash message. Or the DE locking up. Or the software center throwing an error when you try to install a program. Or Firefox telling you it can’t restore your tabs, when you just started it for the first time. etc.
Debian used to be more of a hassle to set up, but nowadays I think it’s one of the highest quality distros available. It really just works.
Arch is also very good, and never broke on me in a decade, but what it does do is change stuff on you constantly, and I’m getting too old for that.Snap tho
Definitely, I don’t really like Ubuntu that much even though it’s my go-to. What I like is Xfce. Whether I get it via xubuntu or something else I don’t really care.
Most of what differentiates a distro from another is one of:
- package manager
- default packages/configurations (including the desktop environment)
- init system
The rest well… it’s Linux.
I’d argue it’s just the first two. Systemd gets a lot of hate but many don’t notice the difference between distros with or without it
Ha same here. I’d try something else but I really just cba to start again on my server and desktop.
I was a CentOS-man for a number of years. But Linux is for servers and hobby projects in this house. MacOS is my primary driver. Still mad at IBM / Red Hat.
since when is ubuntu hipster 😂😂
Since the offer for a free personal subscription to Ubuntu Pro when doing
apt update. That’s the terminal equivalent of going to a microbrewery and seeing they only sell $8 IPAs.
I too listen to the Linux after dark podcast
I was going to post this exact comment because I, too listen to the Linux After Dark podcast.
❤️
I have used Ubuntu for years. I’m not a noob by any means, and would consider myself more advanced than most users. I used to love tinkering, but once I had a set of scripts built that set everything up just the way I like it on a new install, the need to tinker faded.
I have recently switched to Debian due to bloat and snaps, but I won’t ever judge an Ubuntu user.
Yeah I started in the Red Hat 2 era, played with all the WMs and DEs, compiled my own kernel a few times. After a point I had too much going on in my life to tinker with my distro. My needs are simple, I just need a terminal and a package manager.
Snaps have issues sure, but anything is better than the dependency hell of old.
Use what works. It’s really that simple.
Would recommend Debian then. The switch was pretty smooth for me. Almost everything worked the same, but without the snaps.
Do you judge me? I use Windows 7.
If the machine still worked, I’d be using Windows XP.
I use Ubuntu on my servers because it just… Works, out of the box I can run my scripts and have no issues 100% of the time. On desktops I used to use SolusOS for gaming as that was the only Linux OS at the time I could comfortably game on without many hiccups.
What’s the opposite of a hipster?
Mainstream i guess
Shoulderster
I used to use Ubuntu up to 12.04. By the time the support ended, the new versions had the Unity desktop, I didn’t like it, so for a while I switched to Crunchbang (may it rest in peace), and now I’m using Mint Cinnamon. Some of my developers are using Ubuntu with Unity. Everyone is free to pick what suits them; I’m not one to judge them.
Ubuntu is back to GNOME now.
Ubuntu is back to GNOME now.
Jesus Christ this thread is full of people who don’t realize they’re the judging hipster in the post.
Ubuntu isn’t the entry level distro that you move on from once you’ve gotten your feet wet, and your not very subtle pats on your own backs for using something different aren’t earned.
Does it do everything the user needs from it? If so, don’t tell them that they need to “graduate” to a “better” flavor.
I still prefer nerdy hipster elitists gatekeepers from greedy corps after all is said and done. The first is unfortunate flaw of human character, the second is a calculated machine. If this is the price to pay then so be it. Individuality often isn’t as nice on the surface as the popular but the popular often has hidden sinister motives under the comfy, smoothened out rug of user friendliness.
Lonely nerds don’t have PR and marketing teams but also won’t stab you in the back for profit.
I ran Gentoo for about 3 years (and will likely return soon) and I reckon there are plenty of really advanced Ubuntu users who know more about how my system works than I do.
Any mainstream general purpose distro can do mostly anything and can be used by power users. Some should ONLY be used by power users, but that doesn’t make them inherently better than a distro that both a newbie and a power user can understand and use.
You know why I use Gentoo? Literally the bragging rights. I doubt I’m optimizing things THAT much with my fancy compiler flags.
All the linux makes me say “do what now?”
I just want to change the settings on my fan. It’s been roughly 2 years.
For real I started on Ubuntu and nearly a decade later I still would be on Ubuntu if it wasn’t for their migration to snaps with the proprietary back end.
for real. my uncle has been programmer his whole life and he was always the most linux guy I’ve known. I have never seen him use any other os. and yet he uses ubuntu. his own words are thar he doesn’t care about all the bells and whistles that come trough distros like arch or gentoo. ubuntu works well enough for him and it’s what he is used to, so he uses that.
using ubuntu defiently does not mean you’re a noob or non-techy linux user. personally I wouldn’t touch it again but the linux culture about arch being superior and others being for noobs is ridiculous
This 1000%. Since basically High School I’ve been on Ubuntu for the machines I need to work, because at the end of the day it usually does. Some of the people I meet see that I use a Chromebook with the containers enabled and have similar reactions. “How can you use that it’s not even real Linux?”, as if it isn’t literally a Linux kernel. The Steam Deck is popular because you don’t need to know Linux to use it, and Ubuntu is popular because you don’t need to know a lot of Linux to use it.
Ironically I’ve tried installing Ubuntu a couple of times in the past, but for whatever reason it didn’t work. I’m currently using Debian instead just because the install worked. No idea why, maybe my laptop is just weird.
I used Arch for years because I wanted to learn more about how linux works and it was a good way to push myself. I think it worked because I am better at problem solving now - I even read the error messages lol
Imagine thinking people view you as a hipster for using Linux.
I’m rly happy when ppl switch to a GNU/Linux OS, tho I would never recommend Ubuntu to anyone (anymore), since Linux Mint has a much saner no bs team that is not fucked over by a corporate
Or just plain Debian, which is wonderful as well
Love my debian server <3
Ubuntu is a gateway drug. Its lickable Fisher-Price interface is easy to use for basic tasks like web browsing, email and so on, and the always present sidebar provides reassurance. Once users start chafing against the limitations, they can move to forks like Xubuntu, or all the way to Debian itself, or if they really want to get their hands dirty, Arch.
When did Ubuntu get a lickable UI?
Since unity they did try to support touch so i’m pretty sure lick works as well
Or Ubuntu could perform every task they need it to and never switch to anything else.
Exactly.
Ubuntu is wide spread, well documented, and was the recommended distro for a lot of things (like steam) for a long time.
I used Ubuntu for a long time, I didnt grow up and move on or any hipster shit like that… I simply moved to Nobara because it offered a better out of the box experience for me, a gamer, due entirely to all the gaming related stuff being installed as default, at start.
This weird need to feel superior to others over distro choice is weird, and kinda pathetic. Its just stupid and pathetic to be insulting and denigrating others over their distro choice… And says a lot more about the pathetic nature of the person saying it, then anything they could type.
and yes, I said pathetic 3 times, because thats just how pathetic it is to be like that.
m8 linux is not for the sort of person who gets panicked about options in the first place, there’s an alarming disconnect in this trend towards pretending it’s just linux’s reputation for complexity that puts people off. There are people in this very thread who don’t even recognize that apple is fascist hipster bullshit and almost noone nowadays who understands why. What’s more, I once heard a grown woman argue she shouldn’t have a different opinion than her parents because if it was good enough for them it should be good enough for her. People are fucking monkeys, mate. If linux ever hits 10% market share I’ll be amazed. Hell, 5 is a stretch…
As Canonical has been doing nothing but worsening the user experience in Ubuntu for end user desktop use I see “performing every task they need it to” as decreasingly likely.
