New here. Migrated from Reddit. Still trying to figure out Lemmy - what’s everyone’s experiences like coming from Reddit and does Lemmy serve as a good alternative? Pros and cons/differences?
I was a fairly active member at Reddit with a good social standing, I made 1 “controversial” comment and I got perma-banned… this sucks. I mostly followed music pages like r/TheBeatles and loved to just rant about Beatles albums, Paul McCartney’s latest tour, discuss new releases from other artists and also movies/TV shows. I can’t think of any other website that offers that kind of forum-like discussion other than Lemmy?
I really did always hate that Reddit felt like a massive echo chamber. The way the system works with upvotes and downvotes, if I said anything people don’t agree with, I’d get massively downvoted. I once got temporary ban for saying I preferred Zelda Breath of the Wild over Tears of the Kingdom… it really felt like I was treading on egg shells. My perma-ban happened in a discussion within the r/EveryoneKnowsThat search for a lost wave song. Really petty.
I’ve always hoped somebody would create basically a clone of Reddit, but without the politics and without being overly-policed. Where people aren’t pushed away for respectfully voicing their opinion. Is Lemmy the answer?
Welcome to Lemmy.
One important thing to point out, your upvotes and downvotes are mostly public here, so if you want to maintain anonymity with your votes you’ll want to setup a separate account for voting only and no commenting.
I tried a few apps for interacting with Lemmy and Voyager has been my favorite by far.
I still go back to Reddit for very niche communities that can’t be found here, or just don’t have the userbase to churn out content like they can. I use an app like “Stealth” to browse any of the subreddits I still frequent, but I’ve been able to replace a lot of the generic ones with Lemmy communities.
You will find a lot more users here that will take any chance they can get to blame capitalism for all of the worlds problems.
Some opinions are still heavily downvoted here, but you can always join up with an instance that ignores/doesn’t display any downvotes.
You will need to be a lot more active in your own communities if you want to turn it into the kind of place you want to keep coming back to.
As far as moderation goes, there are some Lemmy instances that have stricter mods than others. Just do a little research and pick a main one where you won’t get banned if you decide to voice your opinion about a dictator one way or another.
Just note, if you pick one that’s too small there’s a greater risk of them shutting down for one reason or another.
One important thing to point out, your upvotes and downvotes are mostly public here
They are? Can I ask how? I can’t even find my own votes like I could on reddit. I used to use that to show a friend of mine good posts and comments.
They are. It’s not shown on Lemmy itself, but anyone who federates with another instance gets to know who voted on what, and sometimes that information is made public to their entire instance (this is the case with kbin).
So, for instance you can look at this particular post through kbin’s eyes: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/1031138/Is-Lemmy-a-good-alternative/votes/up
Go to any post/comment, then click on “more” -> “activity” “Favorites” are upvotes, and “Reduces” are downvotes.
Edit: And if you want to view your own votes I would suggest an app like Voyager, since that is one of the features.
I see, thanks!
As for Voyager, I’m not finding that anywhere.
Instance admins can see your votes, not just local admins, but remote ones too.
I personally don’t check those that often, but it’s sometimes useful to investigate harassment, astroturfing, etc.
Feels like early internet here, enjoy it while it lasts. Good chance this place will blow up and the normies will come in.
It’s similar in a lot of ways and this is still an echo chamber and the echo chamber we have here has a lot of overlap with reddit… but, while reddit mostly just leaned left… Lemmy… just leans anti-west. As mentioned, there’s a lot of overlap there, we’ve got a lot that is shared, but the parts where those two groups differ can cause some serious wtf moments if you’re used to the reddit community. As far as over policing, moderation logs are mostly public and there have been some controversies, but mostly people just stopped caring or left. If you stick around long enough, you will notice policies being applied unfairly if you’re on the ‘wrong’ side and it’s a lot easier to be in that category here.
All that to say, you’ll likely have some moments where you think… Maybe that old echo chamber wasn’t so bad.
In strict technical terms, yeah it’s okay, albeit with the shortcomings to be expected of a smaller development team. In terms of population and activity with this format, I think it may be at the top compared to alternatives as well.
There’s still others and other software options though for this format that people could try, which honestly may even be technically better, but lacking population/activity means they’re in an odd spot.
The first of these you’ll read about on here are likely Kbin/Mbin, possibly followed by PieFed or still-in-development Sublinks. Kbin/Mbin is definitely the runner-up in terms of federated Reddit-alternatives, as it was one of the few options available at the time people were leaving Reddit.
PieFed and Sublinks have emerged more recently with different priorities and approaches compared to Lemmy, but with the same desire to offer a federated option for people to deploy.
The last you may read about around here would be of stuff like Discuit, Lobste.rs, Raddle (and any other sites built with Postmill), Tildes, and the like, which are all most like Reddit in terms of their being stand-alone sites, unconnected to any others running the same underlying server software. However each of these, I think, may have lower population than the cumulative population of the Lemmy network of sites.
All that said, cutting to your last question: ultimately it heavily depends on the instance/site you settle into.
Lemmy isn’t a monolith, which is both its greatest strength and weakness compared to Reddit. You may be able to find a Lemmy instance/site that heavily blocks out politics and moderates lightly, but the irony of this is that it means it may have to be overly-policed to achieve that, and might appear less active in the process from heavy disconnection/defederation from any instances/sites that permit political posts/discussion.
Right now though, much of Lemmy is heavily political, and it’s arguably because of lax moderation to keep political posts/discussions to relevant communities, which is itself probably in part because of lacking moderation tools to enable lighter touches to redirect posts/discussions.
Nevertheless, it’s possibly the best option fitting the format available at the moment given the rest, but if Lemmy and federation doesn’t suit you you might check out Tildes or Discuit. Although be advised: Tildes remains invite only for now.
Links to all options/alternatives mentioned:
- Kbin, flagship site: Kbin Social
- Mbin. No flagship, check list of instances.
- PieFed, flagship site: PieFed Social
- Sublinks. No flagship, still in-development as drop-in replacement for Lemmy.
- Discuit. Not federated, but open source.
- Lobste.rs. Not federated, but open source.
- Raddle. Not federated, built on open source Postmill.
- Tildes. Not federated, but open source.
One last point, I swear, but if you do stick around and just want to chat about tv shows, movies, and music, I’d recommend visiting:
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[email protected]Honestly I think any general/casual discussion community would welcome posts about those subjects as well, which there are a number of across Lemmy sites to check out.
Thank you for thé communities list!
Lemmy is significantly smaller. Because of this:
+Trolls are easier to spot
+Interactions tend to be friendlier and more wholesome/respectful
+Far more originality shining through
-less engaged communities
-fewer niche communities
-no rich history to comb through
no rich history to comb through
WDYM? We have
- No poop guy
- Beans
- Jeans
- Me
- Defederation Drama
- Uh…
The modlog transparency is honestly my favorite part. I get so much enjoyment out of the “zomg the mods are just as bad here as Reddit” posts because you can immediately highlight their bad behavior, or alternatively see when the mods actually are power tripping.
-Fads aren’t as easily called out/quashed, there isn’t much push back on the meme of the minute, wait I just described social media in general…
Lol yeah that’s true of reddit too
Trolls are easier to spot, except for the fact that lemmy.ml is the default instance for many users and communities eventhough the entire setup of that instance is very politically influenced. You could be in for a bad experience when you try to post a fairly reasonable comment on any slightly political post there.
I think it’s the same echo chamber here, but it’s smaller. People block instances they don’t like, and are in favor of moderators removing controversial things, specially around communism and tankies.
I just like that it’s not run by big tech. Just discussions, no companies or ads. I think most users are tech people.
Thanks, all really good feedback. I’ve managed to find a few ‘somewhat’ active communities to join like for my local city which has about 1000~ subscribers. Not as bad as I was expecting to be honest… that’s enough user base for me to give Lemmy a shot I think.
I guess every social media platform has its politics
Try some of the kbin/mbin instances. I find the interface much more similar to old reddit. But welcome to the fediverse! kbin.social and kbin.run (mbin) are pretty good.
You should also check out the Lemmy third party apps like Mlem or Voyager as they’re gorgeous.
https://alexandrite.app is nice for the desktop.
First of all, welcome.
Depends what you’re after, really. I find that lemmy has less of an echo chamber, but the average political stance is a lot more left-ish than reddit.
If your opinion is considered garbage, you’ll probably be downvoted for it, but banned is another thing; You can find an instance more to your liking, for example if you post tankie stuff on lemmygrad, you’ll probably only get praise from there.
It mostly comes down to how a platform with many people tend to naturally operate - garbage people get treated at such by the rest. So whatever your leanings might be, I suggest you find an instance that is somewhat reasonally close to share your values.
Other than that, one of the main differences from reddit is the content quantity - Smaller user base means less content. And I’m perfectly fine with that, as I can keep up with the feed without scrolling for hours.
Also, here I can say that I don’t give two shits about neither Zelda nor Link, without fear of backlash. At least yhe contemporary games - Everything since Link II for NES has been kinda meh in my book.
And if you want to filter out politics, blocking lemmygrad takes away most of the tankie-spam.
I find that lemmy has less of an echo chamber, but the average political stance is a lot more left-ish than reddit.
This is true once you’ve blocked Lemmygrad and Hexbear, which are as much echo chambers as r/The_Donald ever was.
I haven’t blocked hexbear (yet). As annoying as I find their views, they do produce some funny shit now and then.
You’re fine as long as you don’t decide to jump in and offer a contrary opinion.
Yup. They claim to not have downvotes in an attempt at forming a diversity of opinion, but as soon as there’s an attempt at voicing a hint of such diversity, the ad hominim is engaged by a swarm. They started creeping through my comment and post history to find something damning, but only came up with a meh of a nothingburger, so they started to claim my opinion as invalid because I was on feddit.nl (lol?) instead, never refuting my original claim. I honestly don’t remember what the topic was about at this point. I probably called out something verifiably false or misleading.
The thing I find most perplexing about those communities is that although they themselves support marginalized communities, they also defend highly authoritarian regimes (Russia, China) that actively persecute said groups. It’s very strange to see that horseshoe wrap-around effect where at times they have the same things in common with the right wing but for entirely different reasons.
Welcome. Its been great for me so far. Whatever instance you are currently on the amount of politics and echo chamber does matter. So feel free to comment and enjoy. If you have a complaint try another instance (or even Kbin) to see if this helps. Also to note that there is much more control about what communities and people you can interact with
Lemmy is fickle but it’s ok. Works the same but smaller, so you might be stuck on “all”.
but without the politics and without being overly-policed
Lemmy doesn’t really do anything to address either of these.
You just have to choose the right instance. Federation does address those problems.
Right now our options remain limited because its still early days and the platform isn’t large enough yet. But in the long run, whichever servers do a good job of limiting extremism without being overly authoritarian in moderation will continue to thrive and grow, and servers where the admins are petty and/or politically biased will slowly die.
How is that functionally different from finding or creating a different subreddit? On reddit if you got banned from a subreddit, you could just join a different subreddit about the same topic.
If you ran afoul of a moderator, sure, you could create another subreddit with a name like r/xyz_2 or r/xyzAnarchy. But it would only ever be an alternative, it could never replace the original community, partially because the name was already reserved.
More importantly, if you ran afoul if an admin, there was nowhere to go. The reddit admins exercise absolute control over the content that is allowed on that site. On Lemmy, people will just leave the server if the admins pull a spez.
Sadly, it’s a worse echo chamber. In my experience mods are far more likely to wield power like little dictators and ban for good faith dissent, as there’s no governing body above them to prevent this. I’ve been banned for being pro-Israel by several such petty tyrants.
Upvotes and downvotes are generally per-server though. It’s interesting to see how posts and submissions are regarded on other instances.
I’ve been banned for being pro-Israel by several such petty tyrants.
Can you give an example?
Lemmy is basically an parallel universe of Reddit. There’s less people here, which means smaller but also less toxic communities. Since this is a segment of the fediverse, people also tend to talk about Linux and free open source software, while also trashing on Windows, Google, and any other product by what I like to call “Big Tech”. People are much more liberal here, there’s more tolerance for the LGBT community, there’s basically lots of hatred for cars, people praise the European Union. Ok some of these are bad examples of liberalism, but still, it’s all found here. Enjoy your stay. If you don’t like it, you’re free to bid us farewell.
It’s not perfect, but lemmy is good enough for us
Unfortunately it’s not quite there in terms of numbers. Many niche communities that exist on reddit simply don’t here or have very low activity. The ones that do are typically better than on reddit though.