I loved Reddit for what it is, but nothing made me back out of a post faster than seeing the top 3 parent threads as a regurgitation of the same inside jokes, pun-chains, and so on.
Glad to see one of the first posts I see on here is whining about how other people post. Starting to feel like home already.
Just need the people complaining about people complaining post followed by a rule baning complaining about people. Then we can get the golden meta post of complaining about the rule stopping you from complaining about people.
When do we get to complain that some people here didn’t like something before, but some people now like that thing? Surely soon.
I’ll give it until the end of June. By that point, anyone who was going to leave reddit will have left, and new users will come more organically. At that point, the rexxitors will do what redditors do best, which is gatekeep.
I think it’s natural to want the majority of posts to meet one’s preferences but what one finds interesting/entertaining/etc. varies for each person.
I love diversity and choice and so I’m happy that each community can have their own individual rules/cultures and we can pick which communities we want to join. E.g., I wouldn’t expect the same behaviour/rules/culture in a shit posting community compared to an arch linux community, but I’m glad both types of communities and content will exist.
We can collectively choose what kinds of unique cakes to bake and we can choose which cakes to eat too. :D
Sounds like a good AI feature for a Lemmy client app. “✅ I don’t want to see comments that only contain a pun.”
this was something I loved about slashdot moderation. When voting, people had to specify the reason for the vote. +1 funny, +1 insightful, +1 informative, -1 troll, -1 misleading, etc.
That way you can, for example, set in your user preferences to ignore positive votes for comedy, and put extra value on informative votes.
Then, to keep people from spamming up/down votes and to encourage them to think about their choices, they only gave out a limited number of moderation points to readers. So you’d have to choose which comments to spend your 5 points on.
Then finally, they had ‘meta moderation’ where you’d be shown a comment, and asked “would a vote of insightful be appropriate for this comment” to catch people who down-voted out of disagreement or personal vandetta. Any users who regularly mis-voted would stop receiving the ability to vote.
I don’t think this is directly applicable to a federated system, but I do think it’s one of the best-thought-out voting systems ever created for a discussion board.
edit: a couple other points i liked about it:
Comments were capped at (iirc) +5 and -1. Further votes wouldn’t change the comment’s score.
User karma wasn’t shown. The user page would just say Karma: good. Or Excellent, or poor, or some other vague term.
Wow, that is pretty fascinating.
That’s so dreamy that I created a feature request post linking to your comment. (I also did an @ you but not sure I did that right.)
This seems like a great system.
I really hate all the reddit awards. I didn’t even know they exist until I opened the steve huffman ama in new reddit, and it had about a million awards that were all a different (moving/sparkling) emoji. Facebook has those too, all the little icons for like, haha, sad, heart etc. I find that stuff really distracting to look at and it’s one of many reasons i refuse to use facebook, or reddit’s official website & app.
Something like you’re describing sounds like it would work really well though, especially if there were just maybe different colours or something for the upvote/downvote type, instead of space-wasting icons and images.Yeah, their layout is dated, but the scoring system doesn’t take much room (once you accept the idea that a reply can have a subject line):
Username checks out.
I wouldn’t expect the same behaviour/rules/culture in a shit posting community compared to an arch linux community
What’s the difference?
I use Arch btw
Iusearchlinux.fyi
Yes that’s actually the instance I’m apart of
I use glorious Debian btw
Me too!
Nice. I actually don’t use Arch Linux but rather Garuda (a derivative of Arch) so I still find the forum helpful. :)
Those were just two random examples. It would depend on whatever rules/guidelines each community owner makes.
Basically each community can have their own rules.
- Some communities may allow swearing and some may not
- Some may allow 18+ content and some may not
- etc.
Damn, we’re already gatekeeping in here? Nice.
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It really is fascinating though, having a front row seat to what really is a massive tectonic shift in the history of the internet. Real curious to see how this all plays out. I’ve been online since the early 90’s so I’ve seen tons come and go: AOL, yahoo, slashdot, livejournal, myspace, digg, etc, and this one feels different for some reason, but maybe its just me.
This is what web 3.0 is about.
Not crypto, but decentralization.
Web 1: fragmentation Web 2: centralizatiom Web 3: decentralization Web 4: quantum entanglement Web 5: …
I think it feels different because it’s not website B rolling in as a replacement for website A. It’s an entire new system for social media, so the way you understand and use it has to shift a bit. I find it exciting, a lot more than if we just shifted to a generic centralised reddit alternative.
That’s crazy, we shouldn’t even allow anyone here unless they had at least 1,000 karma on Reddit.
It really is fascinating though, having a front row seat to what really is a massive tectonic shift in the history of the internet. Real curious to see how this all plays out. I’ve been online since the early 90’s so I’ve seen tons come and go: AOL, yahoo, slashdot, livejournal, myspace, digg, etc, and this one feels different for some reason, but maybe its just me.
Are you sure you liked Reddit?
This has been my internal dialog for a while now.
I get what you’re saying, but communities that spend time together will form their inside jokes, their way of doing things, etc. If you don’t like it you don’t have to participate. I say this with the upmost respect, but you need to get over yourself. Nobody is forcing you into a community.
totes agree on that ish
the dumb shit is what makes it feel like a community or friends getting together. if its not that its a college message board for assignments
yeah, it’s almost a bit intimidating to post here now the fun has settled. you have to think of a whole thought about a somewhat serious topic and sometimes that’s just…ugh
ya that hype will die down too
im totally a filthy casual and get the dislike but if lemmy survives and thrives, it will be with the help of shitposters
not everything has to be serious
The relationship advice threads were the weirdest. Someone would post a question like “my wife is sleeping over at her male coworkers place a lot and stopped coming home, should I be worried” and all the answers would be saying they’re just jealous and too controlling.
You and I must have been in opposite threads there. Because it was weird, but in the opposite way you’re describing.
Once saw one where I guy’s wife let her sister something close to 1% of their savings because both the sister and her partner had been laid off in one month. The guy went ballistic and move everything out of their joint accounts into ones under his name only, and gave her a strict allowance. People on reddit were telling him that’s nowhere enough, he should apparently divorce her right away, and maybe sue her.
They were also convinced that because of this one short term loan the SIL and BIL were now going to think he’s a sucker, and they’d move in.
It was weird. Those places often get weird though because people in healthy relationships, or single but happy about it, just don’t show up. So you just gave a cycle of people unhappy with their personal relationships goading other equally unhappy people.
So you’re saying we should encourage people to not comment and participate because you personally don’t enjoy something?
I know I’m being a bit over the top with the wording there but lets really think about it for a moment. Participation is engagement. And if we want Lemmy and by extension Lemmy.World to grow its what we need.
I upvoted you. Its a valid discussion to have. I just personally don’t think its something we should be worried about in general.
Let Lemmy grow. Growth and low effort pun threads is not what killed reddit. Corporate interference and shit stirring controversy spewing algorithms in the name of “user engagement” is what drove reddit down the drain.
This right here. Puns aren’t what was bad, it was the endless doomscrolling habit and continuous outrage going on that was. All the Rexxitors are going to see a serious uptick in their mental health. The puns were a coping mechanism, I think here that defensive reaction will be minimized.
No the endlessly repetitive puns were bad. They weren’t the only things, but they were absolutely bad.
Exactly. Like, I get that people want to have fun and all and I’m all for it even if it’s not my thing, but any relevant discussion was constantly drowned out by the pun chains and copypasted shit to the point that it was fairly obviously often just bots, but as long as a few people have their fun fuck the discussion right? Right… but I/you/we gotta be less cynical, as was said above the lemmy algo is apparently better with this stuff. So I’m at least going to try to be a little hopeful.
Yea the main reason I hated it was because I had to fuckin dig through a thread if I wanted to find a serious comment about whatever was posted. It wasn’t so much that low effort puns and shit were common, it was that they drowned almost everything else out in a lot of subs. Like even /r/science was turning into a memefest at the end.
I guess we’ll see how things develope here
exactly
That’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it, but nothing will kill adoption rates harder than doing the whole early Mastodon thing of “you should change how you behave here”
I believe the response you’re looking for is “Well that’s, like, your opinion… man”
spoiler
sorry, couldn’t resist
Should’ve thought of that one myself, nice
Your hopes for Redditors are entirely too high.
Unfortunately it’s just something I think we’re going to have to deal with no matter where you go. Even forums with higher quality users still have lame jokes and puns thrown around.
As a Rexxitor, I second this entirely.
Don’t worry! We’ll develop our own new inside jokes to repeat and nauseum!
EDIT: I realized, 4 hours later, than auto-correct had changed “ad” to “and”. I’m leaving it as it makes this comment even more obnoxious.
first new inside joke: and nauseam 💀
And my ax!
Couldn’t help it, sorry
And I believe you have my stapler
Definitely! We have our own social network, with baccarat and masseuses!
All lemmings, take one step off the cliff!
yeah but it’s charming when we do it
This!!!1111one
God that felt awful to type
Agreed, it’s gonna get so annoying hearing these jokes and nauseam though.
…With blackjack and hookers!
Oh no. I was hoping to not have to see another ‘bacons at midnight’ type of post within my lifetime.
I also hope nobody is going to be editing their comment and saying “wow, this blew up.”
This
Edit: thanks for the gold kind strangeerrr
First!
Lemmy sorts comments differently from reddit. Lemmy’s documentation page about their algorithm describes reddit’s algorithm as one that,
rewards comments that are repetitive and spammy.
It’s an issue the developers claim to have a solution for.
I have no problem with jokes and comment chains. People should have their fun. But, I deleted my reddit account in frustration years ago. Reddit ranks the jokes higher than relevant discussion.
I’m cautiously optimistic. Lemmy is likely to be less prone to this particular problem.
Wow, that’s a clever little algorithm. It feels like it could work better.
Reddit’s big problem (among many) was you had to get in early on a thread to contribute. Otherwise you could be so far at the bottom you might as well have sent your reply to the bit bucket.
lemmy’s algo seems in theory to work better, but we’ll only know when the userbase here gets large enough.
On reddit, once a thread got past 300+ comments, the only way to get any views on your comment was to post it as a nested comment in a top-level comment.
lol, I realized the same thing and gamed that broken system more than once.
most power users realised that, i think. and that’s what led to the pun chains.
I feel like there is a potential but minor problem with Lemmy’s algorithm. It favors new comments but what if the post itself is asking a question with a definitive answer? The best answers might get buried by side discussion as time goes on.
I think as time goes on, I’d assume the recency boost would subside and the upvotes for the definitive answers should float back to the top.
Also, length is probably favoured as well, since so many top content isn’t just 3 words.
I don’t mind most of them but I downvoted every “Google en passant” comment chain.
Holy hell
literal zombie
Call the exorcist
I spent an unhealthy amount of time on reddit over nearly the last decade, and somehow this is the first time seeing that phrase. I actually had to just google “google en passant” to figure out what you’re talking about. I’m still not sure I understand the meme, and I’m certain Ive never seen it, or at least never paid attention to it if I did. Yet it must be common because at least two people bring it up in this thread. Crazy how that works.
Google “Google en passant”
How meta
Google “Google “Google en passant””
Just a simple call-reaponse meme. AnarchyChess ended spreading everywhere. Probably because chess took off with middle and high schoolers during 2020 lockdown.
I mean, adults, too. I’m 28 and I picked up chess again when Queen’s Gambit came out. I had always known how to play but I never knew how to play.
I still don’t. But that’s besides the point.
I still don’t
Then Google en passant xD
I’m in the same boat - I know how to play (horsey moves in an L, bishop goes diagonally etc), but i don’t know how to play (“ah i see you used the classic Cyberpunk Windmill opener, most people respond with either the Frenchman’s Dehumidifier or the Blue Baboon but imma take inspiration from the Smith-Wesson match and try a variation of the Cardboard Cockroach”)
You could argue that knowing (almost) anything with a name to it isnt really knowing “how” to play, its literally a memorization of the best moves to a certain point in the game. When you move outside of those named movesets is when you really need to know how to play the game.
Knowing how to play is as basic as simply knowing how the pieces move, and then moving into things like undefended pieces, discovered checks, double checks, forking, threats, sacrifices, and then even higher level stuff like “gaining a tempo”, endgame combo’s, and yes even the rarely executed windmill haha.
Which is to say… dont get too caught up in the names of stuff if you are just playing for fun, just focus on the mechanics and tactics
Lol yeah I took enough interest in the post few years to learn some of the more common openings, probably 2 for each color. If you have any interest in chess, I can’t recommend Gotham Chess on YouTube enough. He is hilarious and informative, the perfect combo of teacher and entertainer. Not even just if you want to learn chess but he makes watching chess fun, his recaps of tournaments are fantastic for beginner chess players.
Me too, kind of. I’d always played chess on and off my whole life, but after watching queen’s gambit with my bff I found out she’s actually pretty into chess, which prompted me to get more into it too.
If you haven’t, you should check out Gotham Chess on YouTube. I can’t recommend him enough. He is hilarious and informative, the perfect combo of teacher and entertainer. Not even just if you want to learn chess but he makes watching chess fun, his recaps of tournaments are fantastic for beginner chess players.
Oh of course, Gotham is great!
C4 master race - you don’t need to know how to play if your opponent has no idea how to play against you
Lemmy will likely have its own “the narwhal bacons at midnight” phase.
It’ll interesting to see what it is…and then almost immediately tiresome.
I think that stuff like that developed when the userbase was pretty young. Don’t think something like that will happen again.
At least I hope not…
It’s a free society here, if Lemmy really takes off its most likely going to happen and you’re free to partake in the joke or not.
Lemmy is here to serve all, I imagine some hard boundaries around illegal content will be put in place though.
De-federation can happen for that sort of scenario
Well I’m certainly not above low effort shitposting.
That legal/illegal thing is going to be tricky to figure out. What’s illegal exactly in a global federated social network? Whose law applies?
The instance’s hosting country’s law applies to the instance and the communities it hosts.
Displaying illegal content from the fediverse is fine?
Its a bit complicated. EFF has a good post from a US perspective https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/12/user-generated-content-and-fediverse-legal-primer . My understanding for US instances (and IANAL), is that if you have a TOS banning illegal content, register for a DMCA agent, and remove illegal content in a reasonably fast timeframe when you have knowledge of it, and ban repeat offenders, you should be okay.
I remember cackling at the narwhal nonsense ~15 years ago. Definitely makes me feel old thinking back to those days.
do you remember when they tried to make Millhouse a meme
I do say everything’s coming up Milhouse sometimes.
Wasn’t Millhouse was a meme before reddit was a thing? Pretty sure I saw Millhouse memes on 4chan back in the day.
Definitely from the 4chan way-back.
Don’t expect human nature to change just because some ceo of a different company decided to be a greedy dick, honestly
the other thing to consider with low effort, duplication of memes is the server overhead. one thing to burn corporate coffers with the same people of walmart and cat tropes but this kind of stuff burns server and storage resources.
for a corporate entity looking to make billions off our data that’s the cost of doing business – but for lemmy server admins it’s a truly personal cost.
imo we should be respectful of our “homes” and try not to trash them with low value content.
I think this is an excellent point (re: server overhead) and one I hadn’t considered. Thanks for sharing that.
