When I first started using Lemmy it seemed like such a nice place with interesting discussions. It seemed like the first group of people to join after the app exodus were being quite careful to be respectful of the existing culture.
Now, it seems as though the culture from Reddit has completely replaced it. Toxicity and all. I will say I do follow a lot of communities from a wide range of instances so it’s clearly not everywhere.
Am I the only one who’s feeling like we’ve just stormed in and bulldozed Lemmy?
It’s scale.
Scale is the enemy of social networks. All of them, including Lemmy.
Let’s say 0.1% of the population are just straight up assholes who ruin everything.
If you only got 100 people on a site, no one is an asshole.
1000 people? Well now you got that asshole Andy in the group. Fucking Andy. But we can deal with him.
But we scale up to 1,000,000? Well now you got 1000 fucking assholes to deal with!
I don’t want to be that asshole Andy. But 0.1% of 1,000,000 is 1000. :P
Derp! Thanks!!
Well, thanks a bunch, Andy.
If my math is right, it should be 1,000 assholes at the end.
Stop being an asshole Andy!
Yeah. Morning math got me stupid. lol. Edited!
So you’re saying it’s proportional all the way up and not a big deal, or people love assholes and upvote all their material and comments for greater proportional impact?
If anything I would argue that the first and early adopters are less likely to be assholes, to where eventually you reach that tipping point and move back towards the average, which feels worse in what is a collection of niche communities, because the average engages slightly different content than early adopters.
Moreso, I think it’s just confirmation bias. OP is hyper sensitive to a change in the culture so every example of it weighs a little more.
To be clear, like most things, I don’t think it’s one thing or another; a little from A, a little from B, and probably a slew of other factors.
I want to jump in and say that people do love assholes. You need look no further than celebrities and the people that hang on their every word.
The bigger an asshole someone is, the more theyre going to comment…
One asshole is just one asshole, but 100 assholes are going to make more comments than 1,000 normal users.
Which makes it look like there are 10x as many assholes as there really is.
Everyone wants to pretend like the ones who left reddit where the good guys. Most of them just want the same thing: attention, controversy and bad memes. We where a part of reddit and as such, we brought reddit here too. Maybe is not you or me, but there’s people out there who will bring their toxicity everywhere they go. Be it Reddit, Twitter or Lemmy
It’s quickly getting more toxic and aggressive. But we’re not counting karma, so as soon as you recognize that someone is arguing with you in bad faith just block them.
It’s quickly getting more toxic and aggressive.
Exactly. About a month ago your most likely negative reaction would be I’m not sure if I would agree with that because of x and y but I could see why you would say that. Maybe you get ± 2 votes
Now they have to die on every hill to prove you wrong no matter what you bring to the table and magically it’s -10
And you go through their history and they have a two week old account with 27 fights picked.
Hopefully they’ll get bored of making new accounts and the block lists stay strong.
lemmy.ml on a good day had like 15 to 30 upvotes on the front page. There wasn’t much of a culture before.
See the traffic in April this year, a little over 4 months ago. Lemmy.world only been around for like 2 and a half months now. That’s the most active it’s been since before the exodus. The exodus definitely helped jumpstart the site.
Yeah, my answer to “has the Reddit exodus killed the former Lemmy culture” is “what culture lmao”
Not that i was on Lemmy before, but i was on Mastodon before Elon bought Twitter and it was a ghost town.
Tragedy of the commons.
Nice. Lemmy is finally big enough for “Lemmy sucks now, the old days were better” posts 🥲
You mean the circle-jerk of six tankies talking about how the West is the definition of evil? Is that the former Lemmy culture you’re talking about? I don’t remember there being anything worth mourning.
🤓
You aspects of Reddit’s toxic culture have you observed on Lemmy?
SFW community with a “-porn” suffix. “updoot”.
I’ve noticed trends like AttackBunny has described. Either you post a copy and paste response in a thread or risk the wrath of like 4 or 5 people just waiting to shit on your beliefs. Certain people aren’t looking for discussions just opportunities to stroke their egos.
I came to Lemmy from reddit and I find it an incredibly nice place to be, full of polite discussions and fun posts. I haven’t seen any of what you’re saying.
When the rightwing communities started getting defederated, their users started making alts on the main instances.
Then you’ve got lemmy.grad which I still have trouble believing aren’t just all trolls.
I’ve never seen a logical comment from any of them. And they agree with the rightwingers waaaaay to often for it be a coincidence.
Like, there was a thread the other day filled with people saying Islam is a violent religion and no other religion encourages violence. And all 1.7 billion Muslims support terrorist extremists.
Maybe because China and Russia have also been oppressing them for centuries so lemmy.grad has to act like that’s the right move?
I don’t feel like I see that many people from the alt right or tankies with my instance being defederated from theirs, so I don’t think them creating alts is that much of an issue, but maybe it’s because I don’t see that much political content on All/top 6h 🤔
Ha same. When I first started lemmy, every time I would accidentally stumble upon a lemmy.grad post I would be so confused. At first I thought it was trolls, i thought it was satire.
And yeah I also remember that post from yesterday, all the comments underneath were people telling eachother to fuck off and that every single Muslim was a violent terrorist who wants to oppress woman. I think these people probably don’t get outside much is my best guess . I have noticed quite the lack of civility in some of the threads here…
Seen this. I commented on the lemm.ee meta discussion about considering defederating from Hexbear. I mentioned some of the things I’ve seen from Hexbear users and that I wish they’d just take a chill pill. Cue Hexbears (I assume), refusing to take chill pills.
People I disagree with all around me!! Oh the horror!!
Like, there was a thread the other day filled with people saying Islam is a violent religion and no other religion encourages violence.
Any links for that one?
No idea how to link so other instances see it on theirs but:
https://lemmy.world/post/3293542?scrollToComments=true
There was like double the comments from last time I looked at it tho, it’s been a couple days
No idea how to link so other instances see it on theirs but:
I’m not sure there is a way right now.
Thanks!!
I’m struggling to find any anti-Islamic sentiment in there from lemmygrad users?? (which is what I was interested in seeing … ordinary Christianity > Islam isn’t too surprising to see anywhere I’d say, however shallow it is).
EDIT: All I could find was this one comment from a lemmygrad user (along with a small exchange afterwards) that seemed to me entirely sympathetic to the Afghans and not at all anti-islamic.
Internet leftist gets spooked when they see comments that don’t perfectly subscribe to their cult. Their brains don’t know what to do but call them right-wingers and Nazis. This really is reddit.
Aaaaand there’s the troll we were talking about
I’m honestly not sure what you’re talking about, but I think you could work on being respectful and sincerely engaging.
No kidding. Talk about toxicity.
I guess I’m just not seeing that part. Hopefully the admins do something.
lemmygrad existed before all the reddit people
Just like the rightwingers instances…
They never federated each other, so they were nice to their own in their safe spaces.
Then normal people started joining on “mainstream” instances. And both groups don’t tend to do well with an average person. Because they’ve had their echo chambers so long, they’re usually the ones complaining that Lemmy has “changed” when they venture out of their own instances.
Their safe spaces are still the same, they just want all the new instances to conform to what their Lemmy experience has been instead of just sticking to their safe space where it’s still like what they remember.
same i suppose
I did see some anti Islam memes on the atheist community but that’s not really unexpected, they’re anti all religion.
“We’re egalitarians, we hate all of you equally!”
I disagree with you in a snide and condescending tone while missapropriating your argument.
Let’s fight.
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I agree. Came from reddit in June. Lemmy has been a very friendly place. I just posted for advice with a typo in the title. Noone even mentioned it. No belittling advice or bickering. Just kindness and helpfulness.
Firefish is also incredibly sweet. Honestly the fediverse makes me feel good about the Internet for the first time in years.
Did the same and was helpfully informed that unlike Reddit, you can edit the title if there’s a typo in it :)
Except for a few power-tripping mods and admins I haven’t seen much of Reddit culture here. And the blatant copy of r/place was a little cringe (especially as it was introduced with “let’s create our own customs!”).
As communities grow from obscurity to populated change is inevitable. I used to use reddit and the #1 thing I hated was the condescending, holier than thou attitude that was rampant. I have seen it occasionally on here but for the most part Lemmy is a breath of fresh air, so I personally don’t think reddit culture has replaced it. I can definitely see a strong cultural influence from reddit but I personally think Lemmy culture is significantly different, in a good way.
As a Digg migrant now Reddit migrant, the “has \ killed our culture?” thing is a heavy dose of deja vu. No mockery intended; I think it’s a reasonable question.
Yes!
I’ve noticed it in political discussions especially. I often find the nitty gritty of my political opinions at odds with much of the apparent consensus on both Reddit and Lemmy. But on Lemmy I generally find people to be a lot less dogmatic, and more open to constructive discussion, rather than repeating the same slogans over and over. Not that it doesn’t happen on Lemmy, but I can’t really remember the last time I heard someone say “It’s not a bug, it’s a feature” unironically.(I have heard “orphan crushing machine” thrown around a bit, but at least that one is kinda funny.)
Overall, the mainstream on Lemmy feels like an upgrade from Reddit, though I do miss more niche communities catering toward my interest.
I think I agree. When I first moved here everyone was so nice, respectful, and willing to have an actual dialogue. Now it feels more like Reddit where when you say something every just immediately jumps to shitting on you, even if they interpret what you said wrong, or if they disagree. I also feel like there are a lot more of the “well, akshewally….” Types here now. There also seems to be people who honestly can’t grasp this isn’t Reddit, and brought the same mentality/trends with them.
The smaller communities are still very nice. I keep my subscribed to mostly smaller communities and then I go to all if I feel like it. Try that and see if it help!
I definitely agree. I pointed out that [email protected] is becoming more and more like AskReddit and I got downvoted and got these sarcastic and obnoxious responses that are typical for reddit
It’s the circle of life. Something awful, the digg exodus, reddit, Twitter/x. Think of us shit posters as a sign of lemmy success.
Us goons really shit up everywhere we show up don’t we.
Goons are responsible for the destruction of so many good things on the internet. Best $10 I’ve ever spent.
I find Lemmy much better than Reddit. But this comes down to what communities you follow in my view.
I can’t compare the two, since I swore off political munis at the same time I migrated. That alone makes for a much better experience.
Unpopular opinion, but I really hate the soft bubble space every social media is becoming and welcome the freedom of speech. I’m not saying people should be harassing each other, but it is nice knowing I could call someone a fucking dumbass when they’re being one and not expect an IP ban.
Yes and no. I’d prefer user choice/curating your own list of instance you interact with.
However, each community also adds further burden on moderation. The communities you allow affect the culture, and some are very clearly more trouble than others.
My current solution would be to have multiple accounts for different sections of the fediverse. Currently I only have a generic Kbin and a Lemmy account, but if you find a Lemmy instance that’s federated with the broader free-speech spectrum without just veering into insane territory itself, I’d be interested.
What if instead of that we asked why someone thinks a way, and what led to their conclusions?
The first step is allowing others to think a different way. On Reddit, using the wrong word can see you banned from 20 of the top subreddits and even earn you a site-wide ban.
I recall that 5-6 years ago on reddit, veering into a disapproved sub and saying anything at all, such as “Wow, I really disagree with this”, could result in automatic bans from other subs for participating in the disapproved sub. Also, the widely disapproved sub would quickly permaban you with a hateful message containing various insults.
True. I got an automatic ban from r/BlackLivesMatter, as sub I participated in regularly, for calling out a wrongheaded comment on r/conservative, a sub I’d never visited before. And while the mods at the BLM sub were happy to review and correct this ban, it was still a bit jarring.
Getting banned by a bot and having to beg somebody to actually read what you posted is an experience.
I think radical and hateful people should be called out but just insulting each other is going to radicalise them even further. The best way is to have a civil discussion and see the other’s pov, and when they can’t do anything but be an asshole, just ignore them.
I think that anywhere that welcomes bigots is truly welcoming only to bigots. Not every site needs to pretend forever that bigots are just misguided souls who just need a lil’ more understanding before they stop being bigots out of the goodness of their hearts because they’ve attained satori. Bigots can and do take advantage of sites like that.
If you want to engage with bigots, there’s plenty of places for you to go do that. reddit, facebook, threads, xhitter, truth social, 4chan, the comments section of any youtube video, hell even lemmy has exploding-heads.
There’s too many nazi bars already. Not every bar needs to be one.
People can and do undergo change and become enlightened. Certain people, however, are not willing and do not engage in any sort of good faith exchange of ideas, and I agree - it’s useless. I’m not here to provide angry psychopaths or government shills with therapy.
Definitely agree, some people are just not worth even engaging with.
