• spujb@lemmy.cafeOP
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      I can’t think of examples right now, (edit: but thought of some later) but it’s definitely possible to describe something as “smart” in a way that’s ableist—like if it ties someone’s value only to intelligence or reinforces stereotypes about who’s considered “smart.” However, I’m sure the vast majority of ways to describe something as “smart” wouldn’t really be considered ableist and so are “permissible” in my book.

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        How so? Isn’t necessarily acknowledging intelligence as a positive quality imply lack of it is a negative one?

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          Ah, we have a difference in terms here.

          Acknowledging intelligence as a positive quality

          is never ableist.

          Acknowledging intelligence as a positive quality

          can be ableist, depending on what values are being cast.

          It’s about how intelligence is framed in relation to others and whether it’s used to dismiss people who might not fit those standards.

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            Ah, we have a difference in terms here.

            Acknowledging intelligence as a positive quality

            is never ableist.

            Acknowledging intelligence as a positive quality

            can be ableist, depending on what values are being cast.

            I don’t understand what you’re saying here. Acknowledging intelligence as a positive quality is acknowledging intelligence as a quality.

            It’s about how intelligence is framed in relation to others and whether it’s used to dismiss people who might not fit those standards.

            So it’s your opinion that the upholding of standards that cannot be met by some individuals by inherent lack of capacity is unacceptable?

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              Acknowledging intelligence as a positive quality is acknowledging intelligence as a quality.

              Here’s an example where it’s not: “Of course you got in, you [are(n’t) Asian/were in the gifted program/have ASD].”

              These examples are rare bifecta of ✅ acknowledging intelligence as a positive quality ✅ casting value judgement on those who do or do not fit that quality

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                I don’t see how that doesn’t acknowledge intelligence as a quality.

                Like, I’m not trying to play this off as some kind of rebuttal, I’m just genuinely not understanding what’s being said.

                casting value judgement on those who do or do not fit that quality

                But all acknowledgements of intelligence as a positive quality necessarily carry an implicit value judgement of those who lack that positive quality.

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                  But all acknowledgements of intelligence as a positive quality necessarily carry an implicit value judgement of those who lack that positive quality.

                  Maybe for you, but not for me. I can congratulate the Olympic gold medalist for her achievement without having any repressive or denigrating judgment toward all the other competitors. Can’t you? The value judgement I express in that scenario is, at worst, neutral.

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                    I can congratulate the Olympic gold medalist for her achievement without having any repressive or denigrating judgment toward all the other competitors. Can’t you? The value judgement I express in that scenario is, at worst, neutral.

                    Tell me, if someone has a positive quality, and another lacks that quality, the difference between them is:

                    A. Positive

                    B. Neutral

                    C. Negative

                    ?