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Good.
Fuck Microsoft
Under Trump 2.0, some Europeans fear that storing their data in the bit barns of Microsoft, Google and AWS is no longer safe
It never was, and all the laws that were installed to make this appear legal were nothing but meaningless fig leaves.
Techies in Europe – who obviously have a vested interest in unsettling Microsoft stronghold on the market as AWS, Microsoft, and Google have upwards of a 70 percent share of the public cloud sector in the region – previously highlighted the potential dangers of US legislation.
I’ve mentioned this before as a criticism for Canadian boycotts of the US. Every large Canadian website, even Government and News use US cloud services. Every. One.
Frank Karlitschek, CEO of Nextcloud, told us in March, “The Cloud Act grants US authorities access to cloud data hosted by US companies. It does not matter if that data is located in the US, Europe, or anywhere else.”
How was this allowed to happen? The minute that law was passed all sites that use them should have discontinued their contracts. JFC.
I think a company in Europe doesn’t give a shit that the US government can peek at their data. Their users might care but they certainly don’t.
What’s new is that they no longer trust the stability of the services long term. What if trump slaps a tariff, or asks Amazon to shut down access, or whatever bullshit passes through his head daily? You wouldn’t store your business on Russian servers, and they’re starting to realize the same applies to the US.
They have to give s shit, because they are ultimately responsible for the handling (and abuse, if it comes to that) of the data, and as European companies they are in easy reach of the European law.
Nah, as long as the actual servers are hosted in Europe, you’re compliant with GDPR and European law. The European company is not liable if the US government violates the EU-US framework.
The Processor is not, but the Controller is still required to guarantee appropriate security for personal data. Appropriate means running a risk assessment and deciding accordingly.
The problem is when in the EU we take as security responsible for healthcare people who handled IAM for Jira tops.
Appropriate means running a risk assessment and deciding accordingly
The risk assessment doesn’t require the company to assess the reliability of international diplomatic relationships. Having your data on EU soil (even under the care of a US company) is enough for compliance.
I assure you that is not true. Even in my “mild” domain of marketing analytics, vendors exist that are EU companies with EU storage also run by EU companies or they offer on-premise deployment. And serious companies with users that may signal personal details through behavioral data seek such solutions.
It’s like people still don’t know about Schrems II or the Cloud Act.
Or they somehow seriously think that the EU-US Data Privacy Framework resolves the issues that killed the EU–US Privacy Shield?
They say they’ll fight thing in court as if we trust the courts to even respect the constitution anymore. You sat behind the clown on inauguration day, now reap what you sowed.
are you sure that Microsoft was there with Amazon, Google, Fecesbook and Xhitter?
I just installed Pop!OS :)
Y’all, I gotta admit I’m really starting to feel old. I still do not fully believe that cloud hosting is the answer for everyone. For businesses of certain sizes, I think running your own stuff and maintaining that IT knowledge within your org is invaluable, but I’m just an IT gremlin who can’t properly articulate his thoughts.
Anyone more knowledgeable care to weigh in?
Cloud hosting is not the answer for everyone.
It was a meme sold to the public by people richer than us so we give up even more control while opening another lifeline to our wallets.
Sure, the cloud is a cancer on computing. It may make some sense for large corporations but for small and medium business it takes away their agency. IT staff should be developed and in house coding should be the norm.
Allowing cloud and AI to run everything is a recipe for disaster.
They keep telling us the cloud allows us to scale. Ok, but why must everything be on it? Surely you could use both. Get our own hardware and if we have a flood of new customers stick the extra ones on the cloud server for a while. It’s all just VMs anyway.
In my org email went to shit after they outsourced it and lost the institutional knowledge. Now we suddenly have random things happen, like a second layer of quarantine appearing, and nobody can explain it. Any support request is copy pasted forward and backward to the outsourcing provider. If the outsourcing provider’s response makes no sense it’s forwarded to you internally none the less, and without comment.
My colleagues tell me that back in the nineties we were running an X.400 email gateway in this very company before it was clear that Internet email would be the one to win the protocol wars. We were at the forefront of email developments then.
And we’re still a god damn tech company. We’re a registry (not registrar), network provider, security services provider, cloud provider, etc. But email is now apparently too hard for us, it’s a sad state of affairs.
It definitely is not for everyone.
anyone remember the time the city of Munich was fully running on “Limux” until the bavarian greed kicked in and they switched back to Microsoft for 8000 jobs Bill promised them? I am sure the greed will kick in again. People are shit.
I remember. I think I was still on Slashdot back then – that’s how long ago it was.
Well if american tech were trying to provide a service and accumulate customers which they take care of then this would not be an issue. Their current method feels more like rape.
Europe broke their own procurement laws in order to choose Microsoft for the cloud, its good that tariffs were enough for them to finally follow their own laws.
Oh no! Anyway…
Why would they be nervous without any serious competition for 365?
Microsoft promising to build infrastructure in the EU directly hurts American jobs. :-D lol Trumps Tarrifs that scared the world have responded by defending themselves, US companies boosting their economies by building there and then the US jobs will be needed less as the work they’re doing now witll be in the EU.
Trumps Tarrifs have directly boosted the economies of others while directly hurting ours and it has absolutely nothing to do with the tangible goods that Trump cares about.
Someone should tell Trump that Microsoft is out sourcing cloud business which is worth BILLIONS.
Just checked it’s worth almost $800 BILLION.
Im sorry, this is stupud! Customers are saying, “this service is unsafe, i dont trust my data isnt being used against me!” And their response is, “Dont worry, we habe a 5 point plan to make shure we have the uptime of a waffle-house! Our product will be so easy to access and it will stay that way forever!”
These idiots forgot that an “america first everyone else last” president might alienate a pretty big part of their customer base, i.e. the rest of the world
It’s not even America first. It’s Trump and maybe the .00001% first and fuck everyone else.
Good. They should.
They should worry about the US switching from Micro$oft while they are at it.
