Hamas’ brutal attacks in Israel on October 7 killed at least 1,400 people and the group took more than 200 hostages, according to Israeli authorities. In the wake of the assault, Israel launched an aerial bombardment of Gaza that Palestinian health officials say has killed more than 5,000 people. Israel also announced a “complete siege” on the enclave, withholding vital supplies of water, food and fuel.

  • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
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    The news just said that Israel is withholding fuel as Hamas might use it.

    Next will be we’re withholding food as Hamas might eat some.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. What Hamas did was terrible, but Israel has done is no better.

    The fact that for one side in a war collateral damage is acceptable is fucking disgusting and it makes me ashamed to be a human.

    I condemned my own country (UK) when we helped invade Afghanistan and Iraq and murdered civilians.

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      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. What Hamas did was terrible, but Israel has done is no better.

      of course not. this conflict will only end if both (!!) sides stop this shit. Both sides have to accept the other one as humans, as independent states, their different religions, all that stuff. Without that there will be no peace, only more death on both sides.

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        You’re making it sound as if the Israeli government and Hamas have equal power, which is ridiculously wrong. Though officially in charge, Hamas has almost no authority to govern Palestine or otherwise do anything except commit atrocities against civilians.

        Israel has the power to stop the oppression and genocide of Palestinians almost immediately and everything would become much more peaceful in a matter of months, maybe even weeks.

        They won’t do that though, since they’re governed by genocidal fascists emulating apartheid South Africa, some of whom won’t even accept the existence of a Palestinian people.

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    And fucking zionist assholes are given the time of day to say that Palestinians are not animals because comparing them to animals would be an insult to animals. Fucking disgraceful. I know Hamas did some unspeakably terrible and should be punished for them, but fucking oppressing the people of Palestine and treat them to sub human conditions over decades only to get mad and offended that they got fed up with your shit only to treat them even less tells so much about your upbringing and your mental state.

    Sorry, had to rant.

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      This is a difficult socioeconomic problem. The majority of the Palestinians in the Gaza strip are under 18. They’ve lived a life of nothing but oppression. For the vast majority of people there now, this is the only life they’ve known. And for the adults, they saw a more conciliatory government not give them the life they want.

      So within living memory of the population, Hamas won the popular vote, the Palestinian authority was setting up for coup inside of the Gaza strip, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah–Hamas_conflict

      And since that coup attempt, there have been no elections in the Gaza strip.

      Even presupposing the majority of the children in Gaza wanted to overthrow Hamas, it’s a collective action problem, how many of them are willing to throw their lives away to affect a political change, when they see the real threat as an external one.

      Historically, religious fundamentalists thrive in adverse conditions. When the population loses all hope, religion tends to step in, and extreme religion tends to dominate.

      Being realistic, the first step to removing Hamas support is giving the population better options. Economic options, education options, religious freedom options. And that’s going to require a lot of work that isn’t military as the ground work

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      I think how they’re murdering Palestinian children with blind disregard should tell you their opinion on the palestinian people.

      Israel doesn’t care about them, they treat Gaza like a house they wanna move into a Palestinians like an infestation.

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        I mean Hamas also does that. Israeli Arabs are imo objectively treated better by Israel than Palestinians by Hamas, despite the fact that they’re also not treated that well.

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        Had that been the case they would just level the whole thing and make a new parking lot. You severely underestimate military power Israel poses.

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          Have you seen photos from Gaza? Entire neighborhoods are levelled. Houses obliterated. Some districts look like Warsaw in 1945.

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      Because Hamas is the only organization fighting Israel, or the only one that matters. So given that Israel has no interest in peace, Hamas is their best bet at getting anything done. Remember: The West Bank doesn’t have Hamas, and there are currently honest to God pogroms going on there.

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          You’re gonna have to pay me more than that to try and kidnap what is essentially a soldier. Do normal Palestinians even have guns or is this even more of a suicide mission than it sounds?

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      Why don’t the Palestinians work with Isn’trael to get defanged and become at the mercy of the IDF? That should end them ASAP!

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      Because Israel legitimized Hamas, giving them access to external funding and other political rights, so they could ensure less radical non-terrorist groups wouldn’t gain support

      Israel’s current administration wants Hamas to be the Palestinian political leaders, because Hamas are terrorists with hardliner demands and a hard on for martyrdom… They’re the worst way to actually accomplish anything politically

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    *Forgot the fact that Hamas has literal tons of fuel being used for their war crimes (yes shooting rockets against civilian cities without a clear threatening target is a war crime)

    Israel bringing in fuel will be used for rockets and war. Why should they. The only reasonable way for fuel to be actually used for hospitals is if the UN or some other natural party escorts that fuel, preventing Hamas terrorists from stealing it.