Does that mean I gain the flying ability when I jaywalk
You just have to believe
It’s missing parking lots :(
Not to mention the growing sinkholes everywhere.
Hey, I know that place. That’s exactly what the old downtown area of my native city looked like while they were renovating all the streets (which took well over a year).
Also looks like Venice, just fill the hole with water.l and tourist will be pouring in.
Note: to be fair, after finishing the work in my city, those streets were all closed off to cars except for people who live there (not many) and deliveries for the local businesses.
The walkways are a fair bit wider in Venice.
I think it’s funny because even if cars weren’t invented then the images presented would still be the same. Cars followed the convention that was before them… horses, and horses with carts and cartridges.
Not really, cars are faster and more deadly. People had to be somewhat careful. The auto industry invented a slur (jaywalking) to convince people the street was no a place for people outside of a car. Look up old footage of cities, people are everywhere in the street.
The topic is “Look at the roads, this is because of cars”… Well, no it’s not at all. It was already like this before cars were invented.
Furthermore, Americans invented the slur. Everywhere else in the world it’s called crossing the road and is perfectly normal.
Ever seen pictures and movies (yes, they exist) before cars were the norm? Streets were for people. People were not “crossing” the road, they walked on the road. People walked everywhere.
You and I have seen very different imagery then. I have not seen an image as you have described, yet I have seen many images of what I described. No bias in the search either “roads before cars existed”. Obviously I’ve just done it now to check if I was wrong.
See above…
See my edit too.
Congratulations, you found three pictures of the two largest cities in Europe and the US at their time. Where there streets with mostly horse carriages? Yes. Where they the norm? No.
Why and when do you think traffic lights and zebra were invented. Why didn’t they exist before?
While I understand people hate cars, I wish I had a car when I was carrying a laser printer 3 miles home. My arms are still sore (and I did it on Tuesday, the 24th of October). No, a bike nor an Uber/Lyft were an option.
Edit: I could’ve sworn I made myself perfectly clear. I was wrong. So this edit goes out to the people that don’t see it how I’m seeing it.
I don’t have money, I don’t make money, so I couldn’t get an Uber/Lyft/Taxi (Not to mention that we don’t have taxis where I live). I ruled a bike out as an option as I CANNOT take a bike onto a school bus, so I can get to school. Now, one person may say “well, how did you afford a printer then?” It was $12 (USD) for a color laser printer. Sure you could say that Uber/Lyft only charges x amount per mile, but as I impulsively bought that printer, I had no money left over. Also, to the people who suggest I either
a) Have a cart. b) Use a Wheelbarrow. c) “Use” (otherwise known as steal) a shopping cart. or … d) Delivery.
Picture this, how would I have known that I was going to be buying that printer on that day? Most of the thrift shops around me don’t have anything that I would usually purchase. There was no chance I would have access to any of those around me, I’d rather not steal something, and I’m pretty sure thrift shops don’t offer delivery services.
While I understand all of your points, I would believe you would understand mine. If I didn’t take a school bus to school, maybe it’d be different. I could bike, you’re absolutely right, but as I’ve never biked to school before, I wouldn’t be able to do anything until I do that first. Also, my bike doesn’t have anything where I can hold the printer, so it’d be a catch 22. Yeah, I can buy something for it, but again, how was I supposed to know that I was gonna be picking up the printer on that day? I just happened to stop by my local thrift store, and I saw it in there.
While I get this community is meant for people who don’t like cars, sometimes that’s what people think of to move things around. It may not be the best solution, but at least it would’ve been an easy solution for me to just get my newly acquired printer home without killing my arms in the process.
If you still have more questions, comment ig. Idk anymore.
Cargo bikes need to become more common. It would have easily carried a laser printer … and a second laser printer … and your groceries for the week … and a kitchen appliance.
Edit: Here are the examples from the Not Just Bikes video on cargo bikes:
That’s such a contrived example why would we even bother with it?
Typically when people purchase or obtain items that they need to transport home or to someplace, they do some sort of planning ahead. Also, when I was a kid and needed transportation I typically could just ask an adult to help out with this. Or, another option would be to ask the school to hold the object until you could arrange transportation.
In any case, three miles is not a particularly long distance to traverse, and as you pointed out above you were actually able to walk that distance while carrying it. Well laser printers are somewhat heavy, I’m sure it was a little annoying to carry and you probably had to stop several times and rest. By myself had to carry 30 lb of lumber about 3 mi home from the lumber store years ago when I didn’t have a car. And yes I was able to manage.
However, cargo bicycles exist and are quite popular in many parts of the world including the United States and can carry up to 400 lbs, so it is not true that the only means of transporting moderately weighty items is by automobile.
In fact, I would be willing to bet that you would not even need a cargo bicycle but a normal bicycle with a rear rack and a couple of bungee cords would probably suffice. I know this because I got away without having a bicycle for 6 years as an adult American in a city and even went bicycle camping a few times with my friends.
I gotta hand it to you, kid, you’re the perfect specimen why communities like fuck cars exist, and why nothing is changing.
Even presented with a fucking wishing well you cannot come up with anything but “CAaAaR”, because your imagination spans from wall to wallpaper.
You could have imagined and wished for e.g. a working infrastructure of cargo bike sharing, but nope!, car it is!
You don’t understand why people hate cars, you’re part of the reason people hate cars.
I don’t have money, I don’t make money, so I couldn’t get an Uber/Lyft/Taxi (Not to mention that we don’t have taxis where I live).
Ah, a car is free, of course, it just drops out of nowhere and runs on unicorn dust. Tonight, please ask mommy and daddy what they’re paying for their car(s). Full cost: down payment, monthly payments, fuel, repairs, insurance, loss of value, everything.
I’m gonna tl;dr it for you: if you cannot afford a taxi/uber/whatever even once, you cannot afford a car. There, that was easy, wasn’t it?
I ruled a bike out as an option as I CANNOT take a bike onto a school bus, so I can get to school.
I thought the printer was just 3 miles away? Did it ever occur to you you could have just gone home, pick up the cargo bike, ride the 3 miles to the printer which literally takes 10 minutes and pick it up?
i mean this is why we invented carts lol
Coincidentally it is the same space that is used by bikes. Or does the artist picture them as combat-biking on the pavement?
Bikes take much less space and they will go around people, it’s not uncommon for roads to be shared for bikes and pedestrians at the same time. On the other hand you risk getting hit by a car if you walk into the streets, thus the metaphor of falling down a chasm.
This has circled around the internet for years now. I remember the last time I saw it people were losing their minds over how “reductive” it was. Blew me away
Ugh I can imagine the re**it comments now
It’s hardly any different here.
Man this sub is weird. i would block it but im kinda curious to see if it devolves into some kind of weird flat yearthy / vegany hybrid sub. god speed to you all, cuz you dont have cars i guess.
Plenty of regulars of this sub do have cars and no issue with using them, but instead just want cities to favor other methods of transportation. This would be a good example. Not sure what relation do you think any of this has to flat earthers.
It’s fine to be against cars and not use them. But then to be obsessed about it to the point you end up preaching it like hardcore vegans, it gets obnoxious and is counterproductive. The reason for the connection to flat earth is because there are plenty of valid conspiracy theories to be analysed (oil companies doing suspicious shit) and having seen multiple posts about how roads are not meant to exists indicates the early stages of a warped worldview. And i sont just mean “the current road structures are bad”, but rather it being porttayed as unnatural and therefore bad. Combining these factors makes me think these anti car communities are headed in that direction. But idk enough about it to know if it will happen, its just based on loose snippets i’ve seen from these communities.
having seen multiple posts about how roads are not meant to exists
Can you point to these “multiple posts”? Because I have never seen a single post here, nor on other communities including reddit saying “roads are not meant to exist”.
But idk enough about it
just based on loose snippets
You go on a lengthy explanation why you think there’s a “connection to flat earth” and fuck cars only to then concede that you have literally no idea what you’re talking about?
You know what “early stages of a warped worldview” are? Your posts here.
nah, ill just see what happens. i dont care enough about any of this to justify spending time defending my viewpoint. especially when the dude asking me to do so warps what im saying right out of the gate. good luck on your journey to ending cars
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Also a depiction of how much of that space is actually paid for by car owners with registration fees. Someone has to pay the road fees to maintain all that walking space too.
Also to consider that the way the shops are build like that is because of cars not foot traffic. If it were a walking space that was explicitly built for walking and then was actually ‘surrendered’ to cars it would have been built quite differently to begin with.
Also to consider that the way the shops are build like that is because of cars not foot traffic.
Aah, yes, all the European cities which were built way before the car and look like that were built because of cars 🤡
transit and emergency vehicles should be allowed to be there.
And no one, absolutely nobody, has said otherwise.
paid for by car owners.
Ah you sweet summer child. You still believe that cars actual finance the roads. Watch this video from 3:15 mark.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QPAil1xY42I&si=TF-H-0ugB33wAYT9
This is such a weird picture, because you can still walk out into the street when there’s no vehicles around
Cars also have people in them, which images like this conveniently forget.
People also have cars in them, which comments like this conveniently forget.
have you seen that ad showing people simulating traffic but without the cars? it’s just even more poignant as it shows how absurdly inefficient cars are at transporting people (on average a car contains 1.2 people).
this isn’t even as hilariously obvious as that ad is, i searched it up because look at this shit lmao
Okay, so if there are no more cars and only public transports, people can walk all over the road without worry? Where do you think buses drive?
The point is that the whole thing should be designed differently. We should focus these spaces around people rather than cars. There probably wouldn’t even be roads there at all. Streets would be fewer and with more space between them, and they would be designed to defer to pedestrian traffic more often, rather than the other way around. Bus stops would be on those streets, and pedestrians would walk a distance away to board them, while moving through safe, walking-focused sidewalks and avenues on the way.
It’s almost like everyone would have more space if cars wouldn’t eat up 50% of the available space, while public transport and bikes only get 4% and 2%… :O Ö O: .O.
And this is in an area of Berlin where only 13% of trips are taken by car while bikes and public transport account for 32% and 22%.
my dude you do realize that’s exactly what people did in the past before cars existed, right? There’s a video of olden gothenburg that shows kids running in front of the trams for fun!
And if you go there now you’ll see people crossing precisely wherever the fuck they please, because it’s just inherently way easier to deal with a couple public transport vehicles per minute than it is 50 cars.
Most transit advocates prefer trams/streetcars over buses. They’re safer and can coexist with people much better.
Not to mention the fact that rails can be placed underground
It’s one bus every so often vs a non stop stream of cars. That’s the difference.
It’s only every so often because of all the other cars there. When there are no cars, the buses will be a LOT more frequent
🤦♀️ I literally gave you the space requirements of cars vs PT in a city that already has stellar public transport compared to the US, and you still can only come up with this utterly lobotomized hot take. Please tell me you’re not developing something important.
As frequent as cars are now? Doubtful.
Public transport needs much less space than cars. Especially if you put all the parking lots into the equation. So much space in cities is wasted by cars that do not even move most of the day.
This surely translate to less traffic, better commute times, less noises, less pollution, safer streets and the list goes on.
