• Szymon@lemmy.ca
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      11 months ago

      Hamas earned this, not the rest of the innocent Palestinians who never had a choice on who represented them. The innocent Israeli citizens didn’t earn this either.

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        11 months ago

        They probably should have left long ago when the Egyptian border was open for anyone who wanted to leave.

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            11 months ago

            “Long ago.”

            It was closed because IDF attacked a tunnel under the wall near the crossing. It was open before then and it has been reopened since. Unfortunately, Egypt only lets out ~300/day so it’s probably unlikely that refugees are lucky enough to leave at present. Egypt cares more about not destabilizing themselves like other neighboring countries did than they do about Palestinian refugees.

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      11 months ago

      If you’re going to equate the dead children in Gaza with Hamas, you might as well say this lady “earned” it on account of the policies of the Israeli far right.

      There’s no such thing as “earning” the mass murder of civilians.

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        11 months ago

        Way to equate self-defense with cold-blooded medieval murder. Israel didn’t start this but they sure as hell will finish it.

        Hamas did earn a military reprisal, and they’re hiding among civilians. Civilians who voted them into power. Let’s not pretend that they don’t share responsibility to some degree.

        Maybe having lots of kids and remaining in Gaza where your government is literally a terrorist organization isn’t the best idea to keep children safe.

        I think we all know the real point is to maximize civilian and child casualties so that they can make Israel look like bad guys in the press. Hamas wanted people to ignore evacuation orders and stay in buildings as they were being bombed.

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          11 months ago

          Hamas has kept power for almost two decades without an election, of which over 50% of the population of Gaza was too young to vote in, on account of them not being born.

          Innocent people are dying because Israel propped up the terrorist Hamas to prevent a real, peaceful government from forming and bringing forward a two country solution.

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            11 months ago

            That’s the funny thing about electing a fascist terrorist organization, that might be your last election. People always share the consequences of their belligerent governments in war, you may not like it, but that’s reality.

            That’s right, Israel negotiated with Hamas. I don’t suspect they will make that mistake again. Hamas will cease to exist along with every building that harbors them.

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              You keep saying “they” and I’m just waiting for your mind to wrap itself around the fact that the overwhelming majority of current Palestinians were not voting age or even born at the time Hamas took power.

              Not to mention they only got a plurality then started pushing moderates out of windows.

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                11 months ago

                Again, people share consequences with their government regardless of whether it’s a democracy or whether they personally support said government. I’m sure there were a lot of German people who were opposed to Nazi policy but shared their fate.

                If Gaza has the capability of murdering thousands of civilians, I suspect that they have the capability of deposing Hamas if they were so inclined.

                So what are you suggesting, Israel should stop attacking Gaza and leave Hamas in power because there are children there? That’s exactly why they hide behind them, this sentiment.

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                  11 months ago

                  people share consequences with their government regardless of whether it’s a democracy or whether they personally support said government.

                  So Hamas is justified in killing Israeli citizens just as the IDF is justified in killing Gazan citizens?

                  Weird watching you twist your brain into knots to find ways to only condemn one side while praising the other.

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                    11 months ago

                    Israeli civilians clearly have been sharing consequences for the actions of their state. What do you think the attack was about?

                    The difference here is that one side has been constantly provoking and the other side has been constantly trying to create safety for themselves. The earliest conflicts between Jewish farmers and Arab farmers, the earliest massacres in mandatory Palestine, were instigated by Palestinian Arabs. Palestinian Arab nationalism made a one state solution not viable, and Palestinians declared war on their Israeli neighbors because they didn’t like the borders of a two-state solution. They got their asses handed to them. Then they tried it again in 1967, once again getting their asses handed to them. They have constantly been aggressors who refused to make a viable peace and acknowledge their realpolitik situation. Instead, they have opted for terrorist Guerrilla attacks against civilians for the past 50 years as their situation grows ever worse.

                    But yeah if you ignore all context and causality both sides are the same 🙄