This is good and proper.
These people are not “political prisoners”. They were part of an attempted coup, and should absolutely be prosecuted to the maximum extent that the law prescribes.
ayyyyylmao
Some great FAFO going on.
Throw the fucking book at these old decrepit humans. Let them rot.
You love to see it.
About 30 months later than it should have happened, but late is better than never!
Agreed, though it’s actually pretty fast for this kind of thing
Yeah, it’s totally normal for prosecutors to wait over two years to bring forgery charges and just let the suspects go about freely doing as they please that whole time, it’s not like anyone in recent history has been forcibly detained by a police officer and been suffocated to death by that officer’s knee being placed on their neck for an extended period of time after they tried to submit some dodgy paperwork or anything /s
For better or for worse, the judicial process in this country moves very slowly. The higher the stakes, the slower it moves. This is quite certainly a high-stakes case.
Yay deliberative prosecution and due process. Wait no, not for those people!
Since I expect I’ll have to suffer several members of the conservative hive-mind moaning about this tomorrow, I did some quick research beforehand:
Here is a list of those who are charged.
This video shows the Republicans trying to enter the MI Capitol.
At ~35 seconds in, several people claim to be the state’s electors.
In no particular order, I think I have identified the following:
The woman between the orange beanie and red mitts at 60 seconds looks to me like MI GOP Chair Meshawn Maddock, who is among the charged.
The woman in the bottom left corner of the screen at 3 minutes and 19 seconds in looks to me like Michele Lundgren, a GOP former nominee for a House seat in Detroit which she lost in a major landslide, who is among the charged.
The woman near the bottom right of the screen at 3 minutes and 7 seconds in looks to me like MI GOP Vice chairperson Marian Sheridan, who is among the charged.
Papa Smurf on the left at 1 minute and 1 second looks to me like GOP member Ken Thompson, who is among the charged.
The woman in the bottom left at 1 second in looks to me like GOP member Rose Rook, who is among the charged.
At what point should we declare the MI Republican party to be insurrectionists and disband that organization? It’s not like it was some low ranking officials.
If it makes you feel better, the Michigan republican party is effectively dead. They lost every branch of government, their funding is pretty much dried up, they had abandon their longstanding headquarters and are now based out of a PO box.
Their former leadership is gone, and now they’re run by an actual crazy person with a degree in Christian apologetics who insists the majority of voters are murderers for codifying the right to an abortion via ballot. They were an anti-vaxxer before covid, they think abortion is a “satanic ritual” and that yoga is a “demonic ceremony”.
Just a week or two ago they made the news when two members got into a fistfight during a meeting, they’re a circus.
Not the person you replied to but this did make me feel better.
Go Michigan!
Which “we” are you talking about? I’ve already declared the whole Republican party a terrorist organization, but my declarations don’t carry much weight.
After we talk about bOtH SiDEs for awhile and then completely forget about it.
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Wisconsin next please.
Another of the 16 electors, Michele Lundgren, said she was distraught over the charges and she questioned what evidence prosecutors had.
The 73-year-old Detroiter said she had simply received a call on Dec. 13, 2020, to be in Lansing the following day. While there, Lundgren signed what she thought was a sign-in sheet, she said.
“We signed a blank piece of paper," Lundgren said. “And that’s all can tell you.”
This is going to be a super entertaining trial
We signed a blank piece of paper!
Mental capacity of a bucket of used syringes
does she do whatever the phone says? If I were to call her and ask for $10,000 she’d pay me?
Well she is the prime demographic for phone scams… so yeah, probably.
Good. They’re all traitors who violated our Constitution and attempted to subvert democracy for their cult leader. Throw the book at every single one of them.
Good, fuck em.
Kathy Berden, 70, of Snover William (Hank) Choate, 72, of Cement City Amy Facchinello, 55, of Grand Blanc Clifford Frost, 75, of Warren Stanley Grot, 71, of Shelby Township John Haggard, 82, of Charlevoix Mary-Ann Henry, 65, of Brighton Timothy King, 56, of Ypsilanti Michele Lundgren, 73, of Detroit Meshawn Maddock, 55, of Milford James Renner, 76, of Lansing Mayra Rodriguez, 64, of Grosse Pointe Farms Rose Rook, 81, of Paw Paw Marian Sheridan, 69, of West Bloomfield Ken Thompson, 68, of Orleans Kent Vanderwood, 69, of Wyominglol it’s all boomers and cusp Gen X/boomer
I am pretty disappointed in the Gen X generation. I really thought we were going to be a lot more open minded and accepting of people than we have turned out to be.
I realized that the other day. My brother is gen z, and when I felt him out on lgbt issues (he’s been raised in a very conservative bubble), he just doesn’t care.
Then I realized - millennials were raised by gen x. I got a lot of ideas shoved in my head growing that took some time to unravel after I started to examine if my beliefs matched my morals… I just assumed he’d be in a similar position. But he’s been taught by millennials and seen it in the media, he never learned those hang ups I had to get past
This weekend it hit me - Gen x is driving force behind all of this body autonomy bullshit
A lot of millennials were still raised by boomers. If you’re an early to mid millennial, you’re probably more likely to have been raised by boomers than gen X-ers, since the oldest gen X-ers would have only been like 15 years old at the start of the millennial generation.
In 1988 (the midpoint year for millennials), the average age of someone having their first child was 27, so most kids born that year were born to late boomers. Only towards the 90’s, the last third of millennials, would you start seeing more Gen X parents than boomers.
And if you were a second or third child in the millennial generation, your parents were more likely to be boomers than not, too.
Think of all the people you’ve known who were open minded and accepting and how small the number of them seemed compared to the majority when we were growing up. Know that a lot of those people probably went on to inspire those qualities in others and raise their kids to value those things. I’ve seen mainstream society come a long way from my childhood in the 80s and teens in the 90s.
I agree, I had a lot more hope for Gen X but we were up against the juggernaut of the boomer voting bloc. As those selfish fucks age out we’re finally looking at the possibility of righting the ship.
I agree that we have come a LONG way. I was in the first generation of ravers. I am aghast at some of my fellow old ravers and how they scorn the LGBQT community considering they were that their bars were often the only place we were offered safety and respect. The motto these guys wore on their sleeves was PLUR - Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect, but now they are SLUR.
A surprising number of ravers compared to my other social circles have gone full conspiracy, MAGA cult, qANON. IMO it attracted a good number of contrarians, counter culture, anti government types in the first place and they were bound to get roped into something like this. I thought hare krishna type things, but boy was I wrong!
That’s sad to hear. I was in the same scene. Fortunately the raver friends that I still keep in touch with didn’t go down that road.
Sadly, they’ll all be found guilty but too old and white to actually go to prison for their crimes.
In cases such as this it would be amazing to bar them from having funerals.
“You’re too old to sit in a cell, so we’re just not going to ever lay you to rest”
Maybe it would help these criminals think about ramifications before committing their heinous offenses.
Beat me to it. This is exactly what I think will happen.
OLDS! THEY’RE OLD
Prime age to get their information from Facebook.
This same generation kept repeating shit like “don’t believe everything you read on the internet” back in the dial up days. Good advice I took to heart.
Now my own mother believes AOC wants to ban cows because they fart a lot.
Not even the Internet. They told everyone not to believe everything they see on TV. Drilled it into our heads for years.
Now they’re plastered to the easychair, glued to fox bobblehead shows 24/7 getting angry over nonsense.
But the Simpsons and rock music were the devil…
Went from “stay in school” to “schools are wokist brainwashing centers run by child abusers and socialists and it’s child abuse to send them there.”
Fucking morons.
Probably not a great age to be starting a fourteen year prison sentence at, but they should have thought about that before trying to overthrow our democracy I guess
To be fair the first two generations in this meme were raging alcoholics who beat the shit out of their kids and wives. Oh and the whole racists as fuck part.
Rose Rook, 81, of Paw Paw
Please tell me that is a real place
Michigan has a Hell, so there’s no reason it can’t have a Paw Paw.
I’ve been there. When it SNOWED!
Did it freeze over?
It got a little moist, but we left before nightfall. (My mom, under no circumstances, was spending the night in Hell!)
well, not with kids in tow, certainly.
kids in tow
You see, she was already in hell ! :-D
Here’s the most important question: Did they have a human-sized handbasket?
No, but they do have a country bar.
A pawpaw is a real fruit, related to the cherimoya.
“Mooom! Paw paw from Paw paw’s trying to destroy our democracy again!”
“Paw Paw is named for the pawpaw trees which once grew along the Paw Paw River,” and those trees probably got their name from British people trying to say “papaya”
Damn someone was just telling me I should plant paw paw trees the other day. Good fruit I guess?
If you catch them ripe then they are a seedy soft banana with a different flavor. It’s so soft that the best way to eat it is with a spoon using the peel as a bowl.
But they have a very short window of ripeness, there’s a reason that they’re not commercially grown and it’s generally because of the short ripeness window and they’re easy to bruise during transport.
If you’ve got the space and the time go for it, it’s a fun little conversation starter to give family, neighbors, & coworkers something that they may not know grows right in their back woodlot.
Wow TIL. It sounds amazing, can’t believe I never thought to look for north American native fruits like this. Thanks for the info.
Have you ever noticed, when you hear a word for the first time, you will hear that word again within twenty-four hours?
Supposed to be a flavor akin to a mix of banana and mango, so maybe the best fruit possible.
Can’t wait to see it all play out. You just know these people won’t accept responsibility and will blame others for their actions. I swear if they were 16-17 I wouldn’t be surprised but GOD DAMN, they’re all over 55 with 2 being over 80.
“We were just told to show up and sign this paper. If we had any information about it being untoward or illegal, we would not have done it”
That’s Ms. Michele Lundgren making excuses already. Like, you thought it was totally legal to pretend to be electors to subvert an election? Come on.
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There are two people in there over 80, but the oldest baby boomers are “only” 77…
No living wage, no money for education, no money for health care, working three jobs to survive, and the world temperature and scarcity of housing are accelerating…
…but sure, let’s celebrate. This totally matters.
what?
These are some of the people who fought to create those problems, including fighting against democracy itself to ensure it.
It’s not the end results needed, but it is a step on the path needed.
It’s not the end results needed, but it is a step on the path needed.
No, it isn’t.
It’s nothing. This will change nothing, as evidenced by the fact that even when Trump is performatively “arrested” there’s never handcuffs of a mugshot.
OK… So they shouldn’t get arrested? Fuck it lets go full nihilism here. Nothing matters my man, so why bother even posting here?
Of course they should.
I’m just years past pretending this is consequential, given that no one will go after any of the big fish in the pond. Can’t pretend we’re winning when we’re a year removed from reelecting a twice-impeached fascist.
There are about to be 3 independent indictments against trump. So they are going after the big fish here. No I understand your cynicism there until we actually see him get jail time and shows up for booking.
the fact that even when Trump is performatively “arrested” there’s never handcuffs of a mugshot.
What do you think the point of handcuffs and a mugshot are? He wasn’t at risk of being violent or arrested for a violent crime. Mugshots are for record keeping and identity purposes, but there is no need for that when the suspect is one of the most photographed people on the entire planet. Handcuffs and mugshots are not some weird way to humiliate people.
All cocksuckers on Medicare and social security and probably bitching about socialism.
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I blame dementia. I have a parent that’s still a Trump supporter. It’s as if they’ve lost the ability to use reason. I am pretty sure Trump could shoot them in the face and they’d still vote for/support him.
He said in 2015 that he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and people would still love him. One thing I will say is that Trump realized he could easily grift people like your parent. I am sorry, BTW. It sucks.
There’s theories about the lead from leaded petrol doing a lot of brain damage before it was taken out.
Without looking, something like ppl born before 1980 or so. I really hope so, the following Gen (mine) isn’t as hot as I’d like but hoping for the best.
So, was it their job to be electors and they falsified something, or was it not even their job and they lied about that plus falsified something?
Based on the article’s admittedly poorly-wordered description, it sounds like the former. I think they were the would-be electors had Trump won the state – when called to the state’s GOP HQ, they signed a document claiming to have met in the state capitol, though they had not. When that certificate was submitted, that’s when the alleged fraud took place.
Note: IANAL, just trying to decipher the article
When states count the vote in a federal election they send a group of people called electors to the national congress. Those electors then cast that state’s electoral votes according to state law (usually winner-take-all but a couple states split proportionally). These people falsely claimed to be the electors from Michigan, selected according to Michigan law, and they intended to infiltrate the meeting of the electoral college and fraudulently cast Michigan’s electoral votes for Trump, who lost the state of Michigan in a free and fair election and was, by Michigan law, entitled to zero electoral votes. In doing so they also intended to deny Joe Biden the electoral votes of Michigan, which he had rightfully earned by winning a free and fair election.
Ah, now I understand what was going on with them. Thank you for writing this all out for me.
Elder abuse to go and trick these poor old ladies and gentlemen. It doesn’t matter they were the ones stupid enough to fall for it, that’s why we have elder abuse laws.
E. I see now that my joke was clunky and misunderstood. What I mean to say is it that these people don’t get excused for being gullible pawns because what they did was criminal, and the people who organized this shit are much more culpable and should receive the more severe punishment. Luckily, these people are the same dumb assholes that made it law in Michigan to charge inmates $48,000 per year to be in prison, real real. So hopefully on the flip side of their sentences they are broke, in addition to being ex cons.
Is your stance that 55 year olds are not in a mental capacity to be eligible to vote? That’s much lower than I would have said.
Man I want a big greasy cheeseburger so bad. Dieting is not an enjoyable experience.
