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    “The whole Gaza Strip needs to be empty. Flattened. Just like in Auschwitz,” Metula Mayor David Azoulai said in a radio interview on Sunday, according toThe Times of Israel. “Let it be a museum for all the world to see what Israel can do. Let no one reside in the Gaza Strip for all the world to see, because October 7 was in a way a second Holocaust.”

    How blinkered do you have to be to see the Hamas attacks on October 7 as akin to the Holocaust, but not see that your own determination to wipe out the entire people of Gaza resembles the genocidal intent behind the Holocaust?

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      I had family die in the work camps, die in the chambers, and die in the ghettos. If Gaza needs to become Auschwitz because you’re trying to shoehorn the Holocaust into the conversation, then October 7th was the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, you sick fuck. This mayor either needs a history lesson, a reminder to respect his family who died senselessly for their heritage, or would even do best to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. These blood-thirsty assholes need to figure out how to goddamn listen when others are crying before they repeat history’s worst atrocities.

      Here’s a word I used to hear in Hebrew school and history lessons all the time: scapegoat. Look around you and try to identify who the scapegoat is. It ain’t us this time… Also, read the fucking room. If many of your most ardent supporters are Nazis, you’re probably doing a Nazi thing.

      • المنطقة عكف عفريت@lemmy.world
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        I’m just reading this on Wikipedia:

        In 1939, German authorities began to concentrate Poland’s population of over three million Jews into a number of extremely crowded ghettos located in large Polish cities. The largest of these, the Warsaw Ghetto, collected approximately 300,000–400,000 people into a densely packed, 3.3 km2 area of Warsaw. Thousands of Jews were killed by rampant disease and starvation under SS-und-Polizeiführer Odilo Globocnik and SS-Standartenführer Ludwig Hahn, even before the mass deportations from the ghetto to the Treblinka extermination camp began.

        They crowded those people in a small area with a high population density and they started to die of disease and starvation. Gosh gee, why does that sound so familiar? 🫠

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          🤔 I remember reading a book in school about a family that lived in the Warsaw ghetto. At the end of the book, an agency helped them smuggle the main character’s baby sister out in a basket, and he remarked to himself about how he knew she’d never know who her real family was.

          It always stuck with me.

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            Now, with all that context, that Poles where coexisting peacefully with Jews before the war, that countless of them have sacrificed their own lives and lives of their families to help them during their brutal extermination, even they now get called antisemitic when pointing out Israel’s tactics are no different than what Hitler did to them.

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      For some, “never again” means “never again let this happen to any People”, to others, it means “never again let this happen to us”. Unfortunately, it is much more common in the Israeli right to understand it the second way.

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        the Isreali right

        The Israeli right: flatten the whole place, I want to salt the earth so they have nowhere to return to and they’re destroyed forever.

        Israeli moderates: the IDF can have a little white phosphorous, as a treat

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      And to actually say you wanted to recreate the horrors of it. Like explicitly say that. That’s a special level of non-self-awareness.

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        Zionists are the new Nazis.

        Treat Zionism like you would treat Nazism.

        Treat Zionists like you would treat Nazis.

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      He said that Palestinians should be transferred to the Palestinian camps in Lebanon first.

      An article in Hebrew
      Specifically this part:

      “אחרי 7 באוקטובר אני חושב שמה שצריך להיות עכשיו ברצועה זה במקום לקרוא להם ללכת דרומה, לקרוא להם ללכת לחופים, ספינות חיל הים שמות אותם בחופי לבנון, יש שם מספיק מחנות פליטים, ולשים רצועת ביטחון מהים עד הגדר, ריקה לחלוטין, למען יזכרו כולם את כל מה שהיה שם. לשטח הכול בדיוק כמו שיש היום באושוויץ”, טען בפתח הראיון.

      Still a terrible comparison, but very different.

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      I generally support Israel’s fight against Hamas, but yeah, that’s pretty fucking dumb.

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    What one mayor said is only the tip of the iceberg.

    You know you failed as a Jewish nation when the very museum dedicated as a reminder of your people’s suffering and the holocaust which lead to the creation of your country is telling you you’re a sick people.

    I know there are many Israelis who are against what’s happening and we shouldn’t put everyone in the same basket, but man…

    I really want the hostages to be returned safely and Hamas to take a hike, but it’s hard to have any sympathy for Israel with how they acted towards Palestinians.

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      I know there are many Israelis who are against what’s happening and we shouldn’t put everyone in the same basket, but man…

      I mean I see what you mean but Netanyahu is called the king of Israeli politics for a reason. They’ve consistently elected right wing genocidal maniacs.

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      It’s perfectly possible to be sympathetic to Jews as nationality and Israelis as citizens all while agreeing Israeli government and military are doing war crimes, despite the latter desperately trying to make you believe it’s one and the same.

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    SMH, what is the world coming to when the Auschwitz museum is run by an antisemite.

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      Huh? Where in this story does Piotr Cywiński (director of the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum) say anything bad about jews or Israel?
      He was even part of a counsel that supported the war.

      Some random-ass mayor of a town of 1,693 people is calling for full-blown genocide. The Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum is simply stating that they do not agree in the slightest with those statements.

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        I’m surprised at the number of downvoters at your comment. How can a thinking human being think this is antisemitism? I totally agree with you.

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    Ah, so that means the Auschwitz Museum is… checks notes anti-Semitic!

    Makes sense.

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    I know the asshat who made the comments was just a nobody hick but I’m ecstatic the museum decided to reply to it.

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      Metula is a town of 1700 people. Probably not safe to assume that every random Israeli dildo that says something idiotic is speaking for the country.

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        The key will be if anything happens to that person as a result. Will there be any repercussions for him? If not, it is likely a systematic issue in their culture.

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          What would happen? Israelis have freedom of expression and it’s unlikely his disgusting comments rise to the level of a crime. Would you call that an actionable threat? He’s about as close to decision-makers as we are. Like, when Lindsey Graham called this conflict a holy war against Islam, it was revolting but I doubt most were surprised that he wasn’t legally punished. The most likely punishment is public ridicule and revulsion because there are few cases where people face legal consequences for speech.

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            The most likely punishment is public ridicule and revulsion because there are few cases where people face legal consequences for speech.

            Yeah, and something tells me he isn’t gonna get these things.

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              What tells you? Do you think the Auschwitz Museum isn’t well-respected in Israel? Most English-language coverage in Israel seems to at least be prominently featuring the criticism over his statement.

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      It’s not so much a dislike of Israel as it is a dislike of a government hiding behind false accusations of racism in order to further their own shitty agenda.

      I am friends with Israeli jews, I am friends with Muslims, I would love to visit Russia someday as a tourist, and I am proud to live in the part of America where I currently reside. Thay said, I don’t like the actions of the IDF, I don’t like what Hamas stands for, I don’t like the actions of the Russian government, I don’t like the actions of the US Government.

      But if that’s the route you want to take, you really don’t like Palestine, huh?

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      Pretty much any entity/person standing behind israel’s actions right now is on the wrong side of humanity.

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    Metula, the town the mayor in question governs, is the furthest one away from Gaza that’s still actually in Israel. this is like that ex-Obama administration official from a few weeks ago being islamophobic - basically has nothing to do with the situation in Gaza, like, at all.

    do some actual journalism, for once?

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      Mate, even if it was the mayor of Upton Snodsbury in Worcestershire who had made this comment, I would be glad to see the Auschwitz Museum had responded to them. The fact it was a mayor in the aggressor country in question makes it even more relevant.

      Never again means never again. It means challenging genocide and ethnic cleansing every time, at every step along the road that leads to these outcomes - not just waiting until the trains are already on their way to the death camps before your raise your voice.

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        so if some random person in Israel stated their opinion - regardless of what is was - and it was “reported”, it’d be relevant? because that’s what is happening here.

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          Yes dude.

          The point isn’t that the museum is responding to some fuckwit mayor, that’s just a minor detail.

          The point is that they’re saying anything at all and making their position loud and clear, when up until now they’ve stayed silent.

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            great. but a museum stating a political position is about as useful as when Detroit or whichever city it was doing the same thing about this border conflict. functionally useless

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    yeah yeah idf bad…we all know. but why support gaza…a place with no gay marriage, hardly any women rights, patriachy…overall shit position. the main misunderstanding seems that just because idf is shit, there is absolutely no reason to support gaza. egypt and other muslim “friends” dont do it but the west off all is supposed to root for gaza?!? cant wrap my head around that type of thinking. and wasnt it the arab league that ON DAY ONE of existance of israel held a meeting and made the decision to kill them all? “fRoM zEh rIva2 zeH sEa” is retarded.

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      a place with no gay marriage, hardly any women rights, patriachy…overall shit position. the main misunderstanding seems that just because idf is shit, there is absolutely no reason to support gaza.

      Women are being oppressed, so let’s wipe them all out, including the women?

      What the fuxk is wrong with you? No one is supporting Gaza or hamas, when they say there is disproportionate amount of civilian deaths happening in this war with International support.