Yes there are billions of cows. No i dont think focusing on the cows will get us anywhere and infact i think itll make more people into climate change deniers.

You only agreed with me on billionaires being abolished once not “keep agreeing with me” (in previous posts) infact you keep ridiculing me more " keep doing nothing so they can feel good about themselves" and your entire first comment is just you ridiculing me. Even the comment about “idealic socialist society” is ridicule as im not asking for perfect im asking for us to focus our efforts on billionaires as i see the usa doing something about billionaires as more realistic then dealing with the international mess that it would be to stop ranching at all.

Why dont we take a step back and discuss our thoughts without insulting the other.

I’ll start and none of this is meant to insult you.

Its been a political nightmare to stop people injecting bleach in the usa or drinking raw milk and getting sick (due to our gut biomes not being adapted to raw milk) every time in the past we’ve told them no please stop that they just do it more. No matter what we do the 360 million that we have wont listen to anyone that trys to take away a single comfort including food, beef is a heavy comfort food for a lot of americans. The thing that im trusting will solve the emission output of farm animals is the cloning food tech that we are barely getting out and i dont want to scare the 360 million by talking about it as some of them are already afraid of the word clone. I cannot imagine the nightmare of trying to convince any country that isnt hindi (iirc hindi is the correct way to say hindu in this context but brahmin are sacred in their culture and religion so thats why i brought it up) to not ranch cattle. Now recently ive come to the conclusion that the whole “reduce your carbon footprint” campaign has been an effort to try to shift the blame of climate change from the corporations onto the consumer which causes the consumers to fight eachother instead of rallying against corporations. But ive also noticed that alot of climate change deniers will start being climate change deniers when they are made to feel like everything is their fault for buying comfort food.

TLDR: Let scientists take care of the beef emmissions, everyone else fight the selfish billionaires that are the cause of all the unnecessary emmissions and halt of progress everywhere else.

Also apologies if i was rude at all with debating, im up way too late (grave shift) thanks for the debate and have a good day.

Yeah beef being a magnitude order bigger issue is just wrong https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/26/flying-shame-the-scandalous-rise-of-private-jets

The highest thing on the chart is beef which is 99kg of emmissions per kilogram of beef, to make up for 1 hour of a single private flight it would require about 20 kilograms (44lbs) of beef. Now throw in the fact that there are thousands of these flights going through multiple hours of the day and hey you can see what is the way larger problem paticularly due to the fact that these flights aren’t benefitting anyone where as the beef actually feeds people.

But im curious why is it more important for you that billions of people immediately change in the way you view as better (so many peoples entire livelyhood is invested in the beef industry paticularly because there are so many byproducts that are also useful, leather, bonemarrow, glue ect.) rather then the few hundred thousand making a small change that barely effects them at all (this change is only billonaires learning to take public planes like the rest of us)?

Mainy due to the fact that when trying to stop agriculture or food production it puts the blame on indivisuals who can’t afford to change their habits or lifestyles i do know that some are able to change and live differently however those changes for others can lead to large amounts of stress, normally people will correlate the stress of this change to the idea of climate change which causes them to reject the idea of it completely (think of the most stubborn person you know and what they would do if you told them to not do something because of a thing they can’t immediately see)

The reason i say that going after billionaires and their jets is more important is because its something that a large amount of people can agree with which means that we can get momentum on that movement better, itll cause stress to less people which means less pushback and the amount of pollution that comes from their jets is absolutely massive like its insane how bad iirc

This isn’t saying that we shouldn’t work on ways to make farming more ecofriendly (because more ecofriendly actually benefits everyone in the long run not just due to the effects on the environment but it also helps the food taste better and grow more) although it is saying that if we keep blaming individuals and their miniture actions itll just turn more people over to climate denialism

Nah lets focus on the thing so tiny that it wont do jack and let billonaires continue ruining the planet with their greed, that’ll sure help.

Lets focus on billonaires using their luxury private jets first then we can worry about going after things that feed people

Trump.

Heck yeah! Fuck Transphobia!

One subreddit did this IIRC

Its difficult personally to believe its a myth due to my memory of the Twitter buyout where I recall the main struggle being that the CEOs of Twitter couldn’t deny Elon purchasing Twitter due to the threat of lawsuit from their shareholders, and after announcing his plans to purchase Twitter for the inflated price Elon couldn’t back out due to the same threat however I am open to the idea that I could of been misled on that situation.

As for the why of a myth like that circulating I doubt its due to malice and more due to misunderstanding as Ive always understood that any wording made on a legal case could be used as precedent. It could also fit well with people rationalizing why companies seek record profits while underpaying workers for their labor.

If anyone could clarify the Twitter situation without sucking off elon it would be appreciated

I swear Reddit is not only not learning from history but purposely trying to repeat it again thinking oh the previous guys were just too weak…

Reddit crashed, spez came out of hibernation, 5k subs are still down according to Reddark when initially there were only 2.5k that agreed to the blackout, we also hugged kbin and Lemmy to death 4 times to my count so its not too underwhelming although I get the sentiment though as these sort of things are a slow death particularly this one as moderators use old.reddit and third party apps the absence of moderators wont be felt immediately

I mean I use Firefox, but why is it a better alternative? (I think I started using it cause it doesn’t stop screen sharing on discord)

There is a mention of the tracker though and the tracker has a link to lemmy :D it’ll get anyone who’s interested in how many sites are down (its not perfect but its something)

I think they’re seriously underestimating the work mods did in the bigger subs

Oh my, I expected a few thousand to go up after an hour or two but a few big ones are even still down this is great :D

This is extremely short-sighted on reddits part, elevating lower mods to leads can cause so much drama in a community particularly when the lower mods don’t have experience, the lower mods will probably make basic mistakes that’ll turn the average base away from the subreddit.

this is really going to bite reddit in the ass if they try it more its like trying to fix a leak by sticking random objects in the hole

This is cause people blocked him isnt it or was it simply Biden got more attention then the poor musky boi

Youtube has pissed off their users something fierce for the last 5+ years (particularly smaller channels) and im honestly waiting for youtube to do something stupid next that rips apart their company like reddit and Twitter.

The answer is living in constant fear of clearing my messages

Nahhhhh if I answer them ill forget I got them :p