In the last 3 days I’ve been paying attention to r/all, expecting several posts about it and…

Yeah

Wasn’t expecting the website to literally shut down nor to monopolize r/all, because 3rd party users are the minority, but I hoped for more than whatever this was.

At least there’s a silver lining, I discovered new alternatives that have healthier communities

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    I had a lot of hope in the lead-up to the initial 2 day blackout, but after seeing literally zero coverage about this across other media platforms I now know there will be no backpedaling on the API changes. The best we can hope for is affecting their income from ads a tiny bit.

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      I was surprised to see the blackout mentioned in a daily email I get with the top news highlights from the day before, so it’s out there.

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      It was getting coverage from CBC of all places… I would say the word got out onto mainstream media. However for most people on Reddit things might just keep on chugging on.

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    It was pretty underwhelming. I think ultimately it’s, unfortunately, pointless. Spez gonna spez and him and other people monetarily invested in reddit will get theirs–they’ll cash in on the IPO and walk after that being richer than before. Whether they stick around to try to improve the platform or not is anyone’s guess but… at least there are lots of us who likely won’t go back to reddit like we used to. I like this place a lot so far!

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      Yeah, I don’t think people realize that cashing out in the IPO is likely the end goal in itself.

      But I like it here, it’s exciting!

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    Reddit crashed, spez came out of hibernation, 5k subs are still down according to Reddark when initially there were only 2.5k that agreed to the blackout, we also hugged kbin and Lemmy to death 4 times to my count so its not too underwhelming although I get the sentiment though as these sort of things are a slow death particularly this one as moderators use old.reddit and third party apps the absence of moderators wont be felt immediately

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    There are several points to be made:

    The Old Reddit, whatever it means, is long gone forever. Aaron is gone. Spez does not care. No apologies or retracting will be made and that’s it.

    Reddit must have calculated that there are enough ‘casual’ crowd (not a long timer, does not use or care about 3rd party apps or the old interface, comes for the quick laughs and watches ads) so they could withstand whatever pressure the ‘hard-core’ crowd (long timer, uses and cares about old UI and API changes, does not generate ad views in general, spends long hours in site) generates.

    Reddit must have also considered the possibility of the second crowd simply going away. I suspect Spez or the investors simply does not give a damn about it. Ad revenues are everything and there’s a loud minority that threatens to leave? Why should they care, after all? All they see is a potential for “more” growth.

    What they do and must care is the eventual entrance of a sizeable competition that eats into their revenues - less visitors mean less ad revenues. Lemmy and Fediverse, as much as I love it and will keep using it, is not that threat - yet.

    What will probably happen is that the wider internet will label the riot (as of now) a massive failure, laugh at the “bravery” of slacktivism or whatever the latest meme can be slapped at.

    Despite that, it should mark the emerging of a sustainable group of Reddit-like communities that could, in one day, become the competition Digg never thought they would face.

    No, I don’t think Lemmy is perfect. I do have an issue with the dev’s political stance. But as long as they don’t become the Spez of what was supposed to be the Federation, and the software and the protocol and the community can sustain and rule themselves, things might be alright.

    Reddit will eventually die, like many other internet websites. Perhaps not now. They won’t go out in a spectacular way the Digg v4 happened, but simply wither away like Facebook. But we have another home, and it’s all that matters.

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      The other truth a lot of us don’t want to face is that, in all likelihood, reddit wants the old heads to leave. We are not their demo anymore. Users with accounts in the 10-15 year range are in their thirties and forties generally. We’re not their target demo, and they think our complaining about the good ol’ days is probably keeping away some of their gullible you get demo that don’t care that their data is being mined, don’t realize when they’re talking to bots, and are used to being assaulted by ads because they don’t know any better.

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    The black out is still happening right now.

    There are subs who are blacking out indefinitely still.

    But I don’t know what people expected to happen after 48 hours?

    The subreddits who participated already told that it was a “warning shot” and new actions were to be taken accordingly after.

    And r/all is not Reddit.

    r/all is the tumor of Reddit itself. It is the instagram and facebook equivalant of the “feed page”. It doesn’t define what makes Reddit…Reddit.

    Again something that RIF did for me, it made r/all bearable to scroll through.

    It are the communities underneath who provide advice, information and a sense of comradery who define Reddit.

    When those communities leave, then you can fasten your seatbelts.

    Reddit and it’s userbase are not gonna survive of what is happening on r/all.

    It will be a marathon and we should probably see in a year or maybe 2 if what is happening was effective.

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      I disagree a little. I get your point that /all is not the best of Reddit, it’s everything at once. But that’s sort of what is missing at the moment in other places, a mass aggregate of things to pick from. Also missing is a default collection of the “best” of /all, the home or popular lists, because when you start out at one of the fediverse places you have to build your own from scratch/almost scratch. Perhaps that’s better in the long run, but it is a bit overwhelming and I’ve seen posts already asking where to find lists of communities to join.

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        I’ve seen posts already asking where to find lists of communities to join

        I have seen a lot of that, too, but I view that as a plus. I mean, you have all these people wandering around here, asking for directions to the equivalents of all their old digital gathering places, but they are engaging. Like, actually having conversations and building camaraderie and all that jazz that happens when you build a community, and that’s just awesome to see, man. Where we all come from wasn’t like that at all; smaller subreddits aside, it was like shouting into the crowd at a frickin Kid Rock concert, y’know? The atmosphere wasn’t exactly conducive to conversation. Not to say good conversation was impossible in big threads; it happened all the time. But it was always just so frickin loud and obnoxious in there, ya know?

        And now we have this new space, and its newness is forcing people to talk, and…ah fuck, I forgot where I was going with this. Um… Reddit bad! Me like Kbin! Or something. Have fun with settling in, and I mean that sincerely.

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    Incoming demise of third-party apps and (potential) IPO blackout should increase more interest towards fediverse link aggregator and discussion platforms…

    Fediverse is neat and waiting to be discovered.

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    For me it’s been pretty great. Lemmy and the fediverse kinda remind me of reddit circa 2007 or 2008 before the eternal September. I’m going to enjoy this for as long as it lasts.

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        Same, I could never really get into mastodon as I never liked Twitter much, so I’m pretty happy I found out about Lemmy. I know everyone on this site has been saying this, but it feels fresh, and the fact that it’s all open source and community owned is great.

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      This is what I’ve been saying! Lemmy feels like what the old Reddit experience felt like and can become what reddit was supposed to be all along.

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    there’s room on the internet for more than one link aggregator - even if reddit returns and is bigger and badder than ever, I still wont use it. that platform is dead to me now

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    I never expected the site to just shut down and be in flames from a 2 day partial shut down. I’m pretty happy with the communities that have popped up and discussion about alternative sites.

    There’s been a heap of discussion on alternatives and without the blackout I wouldn’t of even found great sites like kbin.

    I expect that come the 1st July when third party apps stop working, we’ll get another wave of annoyance and hopefully can use that to help people flee

    I know that come the 1st if nothing has changed I’ll be purging all my old comments and deleting my accounts.

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    To be honest, I’m happy with how it went. I am excited to be off of Reddit and part of the Fediverse now. I never expected Reddit to fail, but I think there will be a drastic decrease in quality content.

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      What I’m most happy about is that the Fediverse so far seems to be mostly actually pretty good people (though I’ve been largely chilling in kbin since the blackout started – it only just turned on federation). Most past attempts to abandon reddit only saw the most toxic, horrible people leave. Sites like Voat were never an option because the users were awful. It’s nice that so far, I haven’t really seen any of that. In fact, it feels the opposite, with the people who left reddit being disproportionately great people, with the toxic people being more likely to stay on reddit.

      I wonder if it’ll last? I hope so. I wanted to leave reddit in the past but never felt like there was anywhere comparable to go that wasn’t shit.

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        There’s a decent chance it will. The fediverse is—generally speaking—a fairly friendly and welcoming place. That’s in part to it’s decentralized nature and individual moderation tools. Bad actors can be blocked on an individual level (I just blocked /u/donaldtrump last night because I do not want to see stupid parody accounts and just like that he’s gone) as well as on an instance level for anyone not following the rules.

        Each instance has their own rules about how to behave, so the bigots and whatnot get booted if they cause problems. Eventually they find an equally terrible server that will have them and once they start up again, that instance can be defederated, which is basically like cutting off the bridge to their island… no way to communicate. Eventually they end up alone or with equally terrible people on other instances.

        That’s not to say that the fediverse doesn’t have it’s share of problems or is perfect, but we’re working hard to try and keep this a decent place to be.

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    I’m not sure what you were expecting to see? /r/all was never going to look obviously different, there’s just too many people on Reddit. 99.99% of Redditors could leave and the remaining 0.01% would still be enough to churn out a passable couple of pages of content on /r/all.

    Plus the people who care about the situation are exactly the people who aren’t currently participating on Reddit, so it’s hardly surprising that no-one is really taking about it there.

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    Saying you are going on a hunger strike but then announcing you’ll only go on it for two days made it a long shot that other subs would push for longer.

    Any idea how only a 48 hour black out even got started instead of longer? Who proposed only 48 hours to make it catch on as that short of a protest.

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    I didn’t go and check things out. But I gotta say, before I was an only Reddit user. Now I don’t expect to totally forgo Reddit forever, but I now know there are alternatives and it is a nicer community so far here.

    At least here I’m not getting spammed with bots and “Satan Gets Us” ads.

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      satan gets us ads?? i’ve been using apollo for years and don’t know what you’re talking about AT ALL hahahaha those sound crazy

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      Same. I won’t let go of Reddit completely until more of the people in my favorite subs migrate and rebuild their communities here, if they do so at all. But Lemmy and Mastodon will become my new main social hubs either way.

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    If we really want to deal a blow to Reddit, we have to do what happened to Facebook. Get your parents to join Reddit!

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    It went about as expected, IMO. 90% of redditors just don’t care that much - even if they agreed with the blackout in principle, most of them were likely just waiting patiently for their favourite subs to reopen so they could go back to browsing as usual. A quick browse through some of my subscribed (and still open) subs revealed a lot of commenters weren’t even clear about what was going on.

    But it has had the effect of essentially kickstarting a community here which seems to be taking shape nicely and there’s finally a (small but growing fast) alternative to reddit - which didn’t really exist before. I can see the following months and years seeing a gradual shift in user base from reddit to here.

    Reddit’s not going to die overnight; that was never going to happen. But it’s possible it’s the beginning of the end of their empire and the slow decline to the ranks of the remember-that-website-whatever-happened-to-that club. Time will tell I guess.

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      I agree, but those who are left are either looking for easily digestible memes or content created by others. Without an engaged community, Reddit has to be afraid of the next shiny thing that comes along, and I think that TikTok has shown us that they don’t even care if that next shiny thing is spying on them.

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        think that TikTok has shown us that they don’t even care if that next shiny thing is spying on them.

        I think “is spying on them” has been baked in since Snowden at least. The TikTok early adopters grew up in a post 9/11 world predicated on being spied on.

        The only real difference is it was someone else’s government doing the spying, for a change.

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      I’m actually pretty surprised with, despite how few people there are by comparison, how active and useful this has already been. And I’m expecring it to only continue to get better. Pretty sure I’ll have little reason to go back to Reddit except for some useful historical posts.

      Especially after apps are shut down I’m expecting another flood of new users. And the numbers keep climbing (today kbin alone has gone up another at least 10%)