Tankies.
You can’t have a discussion about anything without some tankie blaming it on Ukrainians / the west / capitalism, etc.
“Oh you stubbed your toe on the table? See, tables are oppressive furniture of the bourgeoisie. The Chinese government wanted to make all tables toe-stubbing resistent, but that would affect IKEA’s bottom line and the pharmaceutical industry’s profits. I have a source from tankiepeoplesmagazine to back this up.”
bourgeoisie
Always makes me laugh when I see this. I’m tempted to start a hexbear bingo, it’ll be the first one on the list!
I made the mistake of mentionning social democracy once. This was followed by the most pedantic, insufferable and useless argument I have ever had on the internet. I had better discussions with wall. This was first and last time I was replying to those comments. It is easy to ignore anyway. Sometime you learn the hard way.
I’m genuinely curious to see that … do you have a link at all or something to search for?
Omg, so much this. So fucking annoying.
I almost never see this, but I see complaints about “tankies” all the time. I’m not even sure what a tankie is, but it seems about as stupid as the term “woke”.
Have a look at comments in any news article regarding Ukraine. They will simp for Russia just because they are not US allies.
A tankie is commonly used to refer to someone who blindly defends the actions of the USSR, China, North Korea, etc. Going as far as denying human rights abuses and genocide.
It’s not the same thing as woke.
I know it’s not the same as woke, the word just hits the same level of annoyingness for me.
I’m all for shutting down those who support Russia right now, I just feel like using buzzwords makes it more difficult to take people seriously.
The term goes back to the 50s and 60s, hardly a buzzword.
Sorry to tell you, but you’ve been living under a rock.
What’s equally annoying is people who won’t shut up about “tankies.”
Honestly, everyone across this argument sucks. But I wold like to point out, that not a single “tankie” has complained about anything in the comments here.
You, however….
Found the Lemmy user who is upset that someone called them out.
Did you miss the part where I said everyone across the argument sucks? I didn’t even know what a tankie was until I asked a while back. I think the entire thing is fucking stupid.
But I see a LOT of people whining about them. Which is ironic considering that the person I responded to called themselves out by making evening about tankies, while people who whine about them do exactly that by whining about them.
I don’t think so … I think that’s someone talking about
what is the most annoying thing you have seen about Lemmy users?… the question and point of the post. Honestly, I think it’s poor form to create a thread for criticising lemmy users/culture to then find certain critiques (which you evidently disagree with) to be inherently invalid without presenting any sort of discussion or explanation for your view in any remotely polite fashion.
this is a thread specifically for complaining about stuff you don’t like.
don’t be so butthurt about it.
Buttthurt? Don’t think you know me that well kiddo.
I was simply pointing out the irony. I couldn’t care less about either side of the argument.
Don’t think you know me that well kiddo.
The cringe is killing me
So complaining about too much complaining in a thread for complaining is too much complaining because it’s not the complaint you yourself have?
I too am able to complain about the complainants complaint. if you have a complaint concerning my complaint complaint complaint please don’t hesitate to post it as a response to this complaint
Well, I don’t mind if I do!! Fourth complaint is the charm?!
The funny thing is that u/[email protected] is in lemmy.ca which defederated hexbear and lemmygrad so he won’t see the annoying tankies.
Wouldn’t care if I did. Because I don’t care what other people are into.
Yea, I’m with you … the most “annoying” think about tankies is all of the noise about them as though they’re some degenerate scum bringing down society.
It’s not hard to move past a political opinion you don’t like, or a big and hairy political debate you don’t have time/energy for. But it doesn’t mean a whole bunch of people have to be shunned/exiled because they happen to trigger your inability to do so … or that you have to whine about their presence all of the time.
Here is how I read this,
“You don’t have to make me feel like I am whining about things.”
“So you stop whining about things. Quit talking so I can.”
Found yet another Lemmy user to prove my point.
So a lemmy user criticising a general behavour of lemmy users in a thread asking lemmy users what crticisms they have of other lemmy users … is considered by the OP of the thread to be problematic and “proof of [their] point” … I’m honestly lost.
Shrugging off extremist views as “just a political opinion” that should be ignored if you don’t like it is like the #1 way to normalize and spread extremist views. You do not, and should not, politely ignore extremist. Doing so is explicitly allowing and inviting more into your community. Tankies can fuck off and I will continue to say so.
Well, the way I see it is that tankies are pretty much a minority without any power in the west, and, at least the ones I’ve seen around here, aren’t actively organising any sort of violent revolutionary behaviour or anything … which means their views tend to always be critiques of the powerful western governments and mainstream cultures form the perspectives of minorities, and often in ways that many in the mainstream find unpalatable, and therefore unconvincing. So, even if “extreme” (whatever you mean by that exactly) in some way, it’s a “punching up” kind of “extreme” that I’m open minded to hearing, however agreeable or disagreeable I tend to find their opinions.
Do you really think tankies are convincing? This thread, at least, indicates otherwise. So much “extremism” are they going to be spreading? IMO, the sort of “extremism” much more likely to spread is the sort of stuff driven by hate of some sort of “other” weaker and smaller than the mainstream as a scapegoat, not least because it’s more amenable to the worldview(s) of the larger and more powerful majority.
The “extremist views” I’m talking about is the support for authoritarian regimes that use draconian laws and excessive military force to enforce the law. Tankies often do support the subjugation of people they deem “lesser”, but unlike extremist on the far right, they often keep that part quiet.
The fact that you’re downplaying the extremity of Tankie talking points is a perfect example of how they are able to normalize their opinions by being allowed a voice in groups where their opinions should be shunned and shamed.
This is a great breakdown of the exact thing I’m talking about.. The video focuses on these tactics and how they are used by the alt-right, but this is not something exclusive to the right and is exactly what tankies are doing on lemmy.
I mean if a political opinion I don’t like is one that says “hey these people shouldn’t be allowed in our country because they are a different color” or “we should allow a president to betray the entire country and sell it out” then no that’s a pretty big deal and those people should be shunned or exiled
“hey these people shouldn’t be allowed in our country because they are a different color” or “we should allow a president to betray the entire country and sell it out”
Wait … are these views pushed by tankies? Do you have any links … genuinely curious?
If they’re in your comments saying it’s a good thing civilians are being tortured to death and bombed because they were born in the wrong place then that’s not just political differences.
Their goal is explicitly to silence others by sheer volume of bullshit.
saying it’s a good thing civilians are being tortured to death and bombed because they were born in the wrong place
I mean, who disagrees with you here … that’s the sort of stuff moderation and blocking is for.
But I can’t help but suspect (perhaps naively) that that’s your read of someone else’s opinion and not what they actually said or even intended to say, largely because it seems you’re projecting consequences onto a difference of principles/interpretations.
I have an entire conversation on here where the majority of Lemmy users told me democrats should start killing people.
Also, what fucking moderation?
It is kinda bs that republicans kill people constantly but democrats never do. The solution is ideally that republicans stop killing people though. I don’t think suddenly becoming just as murderous is a good idea unless we break out into literal civil war.
I have an entire conversation on here where the majority of Lemmy users told me democrats should start killing people.
I gotta ask for receipts for that one. Also … what do you mean by “democrats should start killing people?”
Also, what fucking moderation?
Well however ineffective some may find it, moderation does occur on lemmy. But beyond that, my point was that an awful statement is an awful statement and should be dealt with accordingly. But it doesn’t necessarily mean that an entire political position thinks the same way and to infer as much without more would really just be prejudice.
No they’re actively supporting it in a literal sense. Tell them Russia needs to stop killing civilians and they’ll say something about corruption needing to be purged (as if killing civilians will do that), or something about denazification (implying all Ukrainians deserve to be killed), or deny it’s happening despite all evidence
Some of them have a real thing for saying the Tiananmen Square massacre never happened and there’s no evidence, too. I guess I just hallucinated those news reports at the time with screams and gunfire in the background.
Hmmm … I think I might have seen a statement or two like that. Though, in my cases, it seemed a lot more like moving the goal posts or not arguing so well their general anti-western sentiment … I don’t think I’ve seen anyone go so far as to support the killing of civilians (in fact, I saw opposition to the deaths of civilians).
Do you have any receipts?
And, FWIW, my general position here is that I’m not a “tankie” or whatever and don’t necessarily like everything they have to say around here, but, by default I lean toward having access to a wide set of opinions so long as I have the option of walking away or ignoring them when I need to. The thing that disturbs me about a lot of the “anti-tankie” sentiments is that it looks a lot like an aggressive enforcement of a political bubble against any hardline critiques of the west. I, for one, am happy to hear said critiques even if they are off-base most of the time, in part because I have no doubt that we are all living in sometimes petty political bubbles.
That, of course, doesn’t excuse being awful … it’s just that I haven’t encountered the degree of awfulness that many speak about and whenever I’ve gone looking (which, admittedly isn’t deeply or often) I have struggled to find what has been accused. Because of this, I’m always curious to see what “anti-tankies” are talking about.
I have zero problems with critique of the west. The problem is those people only want to allow criticism of the west and nothing else
It’s not hard to move past a political opinion you don’t like, or a big and hairy political debate you don’t have time/energy for. But it doesn’t mean a whole bunch of people have to be shunned/exiled because they happen to trigger your inability to do so … or that you have to whine about their presence all of the time.
Funny, you sound just like my uncle. Do you have confederate flags hanging up in your room too, like he does?
People who support the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the CCP’s violations of human rights ARE degenerate scum bringing down society.
I am never going to stop whining about their presence.
I keep seeing this type of argument being made, the problem is though, it’s not just political differences.
These users will brigade, follow you around, harass you, post objectionable memes and content, etc if you disagree with them. If you think that it’s just “political differences” and not a big deal, I suggest you spend your time preaching to the group that actually can’t handle being disagreed with and not the rest of us for simply noticing and talking about how horrible that group is.
I’ve also seen “we’re adults, so lets just move on and not defederate/ban” but the problem here is one group is not actually acting like adults so that argument doesn’t work.
I’ve also seen “we’re adults, so lets just move on and not defederate/ban”
I’m not talking about defederation. Anyone wants to defederate, go right ahead, that’s your right here, and I’m not too interested in getting upset at anyone that wants to do so. That being said, talking about defederation decisions and policies at a general level is also important because of the relationship admins have over users … though here on lemmy we’re pretty happy having multiple accounts and moving around so it isn’t so much of an issue.
These users will brigade, follow you around, harass you, post objectionable memes and content,
Woah … I haven’t seen that, do you have links/receipts on that?
I suggest you spend your time preaching to the group that actually can’t handle being disagreed with
I presume you’re talking about tankies … what do you mean by “can’t handle”?
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There aren’t enough of them. I like having long comment threads to read with a feisty dialogue. It’s not as fun when every post has 12 replies.
I don’t know if it’s the users themselves or just the fact it’s a smaller community as a whole, but I see way, way more drama posts about random things going on in niche parts of Lemmy than I ever did on Reddit. And unlike those on Reddit, most of these posts on Lemmy amount to nothing but the OP overreacting or reaching for the sake of being a victim. I can only think of one bit of drama that was legit, and that was the Ten Forward/Risa thing.
And it’s not more or less annoying than Reddit, it’s basically the same thing as the nazis but with a different flavor: the tankies.
People not marking nsfw content nsfw… Front page is a minefield whilst in public transport
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That’s the beauty of the federation. It’s not like a subreddit got nuked and is no longer available. I have this account on .world, if I want to see some titties I just move to another node in the wide world of instances. Like various neurons getting cut off from some synapses but still available by other paths.
I’m literally logged into an account for porn specifically, and I don’t have this problem. I just selct “hide nsfw” and almost never see anything nsfw on all.
That and fucking sexualized anime girls. Fucking don’t need that shit on my screen
Lol really?
Use the block button and good luck.
When I first joined Lemmy I was happy with how few anime subs I had to filter compared to reddit…but it seems like the horny weebs are starting to make the switch. I hate that genre (style?) where they draw everyone looking like children. Gross
[Edit] love to get downvoted for saying that hentai with children is disgusting
I agree with you but you should know that anime and hentai are different things.
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I’m so sorry I should have been more clear: At the risk of sounding like an extremist, I think it’s bad to fuck kids. It’s also bad to watch porn - live action or not - featuring kids or characters deliberately made to look like kids.
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Fuck no, I will not accept this MAP shit. Pedophiles need therapy, not validation and an outlet for their twisted fetish.
Acceptance of this loli shit leads to more of it getting made which means more mentally unwell people being exposed to it and becoming pedophiles.
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The FOSS crowd is incredibly cringey and annoying
They aren’t sports fans. One of the things I do most often on Reddit is participate in various gamethreads in /r/nfl, /r/cfb, /r/hockey, /r/baseball, etc etc etc. There are gamethreads on Lemmy, mostly on the fanaticus.social instance. I’m the only one I’ve seen post in them, except for bots.
not the users, but there isn’t really enough discussion on here it seems like, just general memes. i like memes and shitposting but a man can’t live on shitposting alone
People still make AcHUalLY comments here. That crap is annoying.
So many damn Linux memes and supremacy posting.
On a more real note though, a bunch of the smaller communities I was part of on reddit, and nearly every specific gaming sub I was in aren’t here, or at least aren’t anywhere near as active.
They’re either far-right/“both sides,” or tankies defending China when no one even mentioned it.
I like the people on lemmy. Just wish I could speak German in order to understand the 15% of content that’s in German.
What is a tankie?
I’m trying to fill that niche
That some people tend to ask boring and repetitive question about Lemmy vs Reddit.
