They are much less likely to see the country as an enemy than their parents
    • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
      242·
      9 months ago

      What’s funny is I can’t tell if you’re talking about younger Americans refusing to hate China or older Americans chanting “China Bad!”

      • nekandro@lemmy.mlOP
        101·
        9 months ago

        Both tbh

        American failures are being used to prop up Chinese successes. This is particularly true in urbanism discussions. China is by no means perfect and thinking that they are is harmful to progress.

          • HughJanus@lemmy.ml
            86·
            9 months ago

            The CCP is a very literal authoritarian government with literal concentration and slave labor camps. They “disappear” anyone who tries to publicly contradict them. They ban publications and apps that try to expose them. They have a completely unfettered surveillance system. The mere act of public protest is illegal. They have zero shame in spewing mountains of coal into the atmosphere. Their entire economy is built on the backs of people who are paid pennies per hour. That’s why it costs significantly less to import virtually everything from the opposite side of the planet.

            I mean do I really need to go on about what a fucking horrific country (government) this is?

            • guitarsarereal@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              32·
              9 months ago

              For the record, though, any nation-state that got big did all of that. That is literally what industrialization has more or less always looked like. The US used to run sweatshops and disappear/murder activists of any kind, especially the ones who pushed back against the pennies-an-hour sweatshops. It wasn’t until the 20th century that US courts even started reading the First Amendment to mean the government had an obligation to not fuck you up just for your political beliefs (see this title since that’s a larger historical argument than can fit on Lemmy).

              You don’t get social freedom and rights in an industrial society until it hits a very high point of development. This has been true of more or less anywhere.

              While we could argue China should have looked for a better way to develop, the United States also helped create an international system in the middle of the 20th century where the only real option was to aggressively industrialize in an even worse way than the US did, or just be subject to outright neocolonialism (and then develop your industry also in a bad way, also likely without rights, and then not have a rounded enough economy to do anything other than be exploited by richer countries)

              China’s great sin, in this context, was choosing to use their enormous land-mass, resource base, and population to not just be on the very bottom. If America had wanted to see the world industrialize better and more humanely, they should have tried at literally any point to help the world industrialize better and more humanely.

                • guitarsarereal@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  11·
                  9 months ago

                  I don’t know that I justified it, just pointed out a basic historical truth about industrialization. With a shred of historical context it’s trivial to turn the conversation from “ew China evil” to “is it possible to industrialize without this shit?” which is a question anybody should have been asking from the very beginning.

                  At the end of the day, lambasting China for doing all the things industrializing nations have always done, without offering a concretely better, alternative path for industrialization, and simultaneously demanding they achieve a similar level of development as the West without doing anything the West did to get there, is just pointless. The West imposed a competitive market system based on the preposterous violence of industrial production on the rest of the world, and are now going to be collectively hoisted by our own petards over the next few decades.

              • HughJanus@lemmy.ml
                33·
                9 months ago

                This is really just common knowledge at this point.

                E: looks like the CCP has even infiltrated the mods of this community.

                • Jack.@lemmy.mlM
                  51·
                  9 months ago

                  I get paid 100000000 Xi bucks every time I remove a post. Obviously Lemmy is the most important social media platform in the world that China needs to control at all costs. The communists have even banned brainrot racism on this subreddit.

                • macabrett[they/them]@lemmy.ml
                  52·
                  9 months ago

                  Its actually all sourced from one single guy who has stated it is his mission from God to bring down China.

                  It’s common knowledge because propaganda is incredibly effective.

            • YeetPics@mander.xyz
              17·
              9 months ago

              No no no, clearly you’re suffering under Western propaganda. In China there is zero crime and everyone gets a golden car on their 15th birthday. It’s true and If you disagree you’re a propaganda chicken. (/s)

          • Breakyfix@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            2·
            9 months ago

            commiting genocide to Uyghur Muslims? destroying the culture and independence of Hong Kong and disappearing, maiming, killing dissenters? mass pollution and ecological destruction by continuing to build coal power stations? mass surveillance and censorship? governmental anti-lgbt programs?

            fuck that, and if you don’t change your mind fuck you too.

        • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
          1·
          9 months ago

          300,000 people are on the organ donor wait-list in China at this very moment.

          You’re a perfect example of the power of propaganda lol

          • FMT99@lemmy.world
            01·
            9 months ago

            The organs I don’t know about but the reeducation camps are not exactly secret, both for Uyghurs and their own people. There are many issues the US has but at least the average citizen doesn’t have their government disappearing them for thinking the wrong thoughts.

              • FMT99@lemmy.world
                0·
                9 months ago

                The US has a ton of problems, I’m not saying it’s a great country to live in necessarily (I wouldn’t move there given the choice). But it’s not a dictatorship where laws are optional for the government.

                Maybe freedom doesn’t mean anything to you when you’re not the one being reeducated though.

    • _NoName_@lemmy.ml
      6·
      9 months ago

      Also good to remember that digital media can be just as propogandized if you interact with it at a base level. Shopping around for a wide breadth of sources and opinions should be viewed as standard requirement for forming a more accurate sense of world events.

    • people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org
      12·
      9 months ago

      Social media dominantly uses algorithms that fine-tune user feeds according to what they think will lead to highest engagement and end up becoming personalized echo chambers. They provide the exact opposite of “a more diverse set of news”.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
        21·
        9 months ago

        Even with the algorithms tuning people’s feeds the diversity of information and views online is very clearly far higher than it is in traditional media where editors decide what content is published, and how it’s framed. You’re also using a platform that doesn’t use any algorithms to mess with the feed to write all this.

  • nucleative@lemmy.worldEnglish
    121·
    9 months ago

    My company has an office in China and I’ve been there many many times.

    Chinese people are like all other people - same needs, same hopes and dreams, same fears, same drivers. In the city where our office is located, they are extremely hard working and want to ensure a better future for their family. Just like most American cities.

    Their city is very high tech, moreso than many American cities because they skipped a lot of legacy technology.

    They don’t necessarily subscribe to the same moral/value system as Americans, for example they often see copying each other’s ideas as a compliment whereas Americans see it as stealing. Kind of like - if it’s possible to copy, then it’s fair game - so don’t make it possible if you don’t want it copied. Perhaps that drives a different kind of innovation.

    Obviously there are many more cultural differences. But as a people, we are all essentially working with the same needs.

    All that being said I don’t appreciate the great firewall when I’mthere, the censorship, and the fear they have about discussing banned topics. I don’t appreciate the high-tech security cameras at every corner, or all the tracking of activities. The younger generations tolerate this for now because they are wealthier than their parents and told to cooperate, but that may not hold long term.

  • COASTER1921@lemmy.ml
    111·
    9 months ago

    I visit China frequently for work and feel that the impression most older Americans have of China is incredibly out of touch. The traditional media portrayal of the country is definitely a part of this. Yes, it’s certainly an authoritarian state, but this doesn’t change whether the people are nice or what they want in life.

          • cucumber_sandwich@lemmy.world
            31·
            9 months ago

            the state maintains that this is a moral and legitimate use of force: that it has the authority to do this.

            I don’t necessarily agree with “moral”. In western democracies laws and use of force doesn’t legitimize itself by a call to morality usually. Just using some kind of authority, doesn’t make a government authoritarian by any common definition of the word.

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        41·
        9 months ago

        I think it’s probably better to simply say that “authoritarian” is a buzzword, though your implied argument that all states work by exerting authority on (at least some portion of) their population is certainly true. Anyone who uses a term like “authoritarian” rather than even a marginally more-descriptive negative term like, idk, “bureaucratic” or “state capitalist” (which gets misused, but I digress) is immediately demonstrating themselves to have untrustworthy judgement on the topic

        • IzyaKatzmann [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          4·
          9 months ago

          maybe bring back totalitarian and use it against countries like the US? have a word that, like Huey P. Newton said regarding coining the term ‘pig’ for police, “highlights the contradiction”, in this case, between the selective usage of a word and it’s inherent meaning, none of which is understandable without contradictions from a prescriptive linguistic context

      • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml
        32·
        9 months ago

        Authoritarianism was a bullshit term invented by child-fucker libertarians to frame themselves as being the good guys.

    • Auzy@beehaw.org
      31·
      9 months ago

      I’ve been once for work. Didn’t have an issue with anyone there. I live in Australia now and a few of my friends are Chinese. In fact, I’ve had 2 Chinese really good friends / best friends

      None of them agree with the government at all

  • DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    112·
    9 months ago

    We can be nice to Chinese people

    But fuck the CCP. If this is about the youths’ friendliness towards the Chinese government, I wholly blame TikTok

  • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
    61·
    9 months ago

    Isn’t it a general trend that younger people, on average, are less xenophobic / racist / bigoted than the previous generation? I also remember reading somewhere that younger Chinese people are friendlier to Japan, South Korea and the US than their parents.

  • acargitz@lemmy.ca
    3·
    9 months ago

    Wasn’t part of the promise of economic globalization that increased interdependence would lead to less conflict? That a smaller, more connected world, would lead to intercultural communication and understanding, leading to a more stable international order?

    I mean, wasn’t this supposed to be a feature? Why is it being reported as a bug?

  • gsa@kbin.social
    42·
    9 months ago

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  • Snowstorm@lemmings.worldEnglish
    43·
    9 months ago

    If anyone is paying attention to whats happening in china, the country is going backwawds due to a mao-wanna-be leader. Its changing so fast that whether the picture you had about china is accurate is not an issue anymore tbh. Also note that like russia, they spend huge amount of money on foreign propoganda.