Was reminded how Epstien not killing himself was/is so accepted yet it’s still a conspiracy theory. Is there any similar ones you guys believe to be completely true ?
9/11
I believe the NRA is involved in money laundering for the Russian mob and Trump ran for office to do the same thing, launder money through donations and by paying for advertising for donations with dirty money and getting clean clean donations back.
We’re either alone as an intelligent species in this galaxy or the great filter is true
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter
Even with our current level of technology which has gone from first flight to landing on the moon in just 66 years we could colonize the entire galaxy in 200 million years which is a blink of an eye.
I think life is common but humans are special or we’re fucked.
How is that a conspiracy theory? Surely that’s philosophy/science extrapolation.
Whenever this comes up I remember the story of someone going to the Amazon and asking a tribe how to communicate long distances. Like future sci fi technology. They used drums to communicate so all they could come up with was really big drums that can go further than their current ones.
If they were looking for intelligent life they couldn’t even imagine radio waves nevermind understand it or search for it.
And if you pick up a dime on the sidewalk and it takes a second, you’re making $8640 a day bro!
we could colonize the entire galaxy in 200 million years
This is just extrapolating based on math, while ignoring the reality of the actual situation.
Even if we have an amazing breakthrough tomorrow, the reality of interstellar colonization is that you would necessarily be creating two different species by doing so. They would have very little reason to cooperate after a relatively short time. Space is huge, y’all. Communication would be cumbersome at first, and rapidly get worse as the two different species diverged, first culturally, then physically.
And that’s even assuming that we would do it. You’re basically asking a large group of people to sacrifice enormously for, at best, a marginal benefit. We can’t even convince people to stop burning coal, and that’s for our own enormous benifit.
Yea, we’re talking about sending people out on trips that could last for hundreds/thousands of years, with no way to provide support or backup if anything goes wrong along the way, to go to other planets that may not even be habitable when they get there. We don’t know if there’s any other sort of faster-than-light travel even possible, so there very well may not be any space travel shortcuts. Chances are “the great filter” is just the astronomical distances between everything and so all life eventually figures out it’s better to just stay home. If anything, maybe the best we can hope for is to convert all the mass in our solar system into a Dyson sphere and just wait out our Sun for a few billion years, that may be more realistic than travel to another star system (maybe slightly less impossible).
Smack a religion on it and you’re good to go
Oh boy oh boy, here I go, schisming again!
I get your point but it’s only marginal benefit for our limited immediate perspective. Even if we stop actively destroying our planet, we are still at risk of catching a stray asteroid and that would be it for our whole civilization and most of life. We really need to learn better self-preservation at an interstellar scale.
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Or maybe there’s a bunch of civilizations that are currently 10 million years into their timeline and just haven’t reached us yet!
We feel alone, but that’s because all other intelligent life is staying away.
Nobody wants to meet meat.
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There is no filter, other forms of life are already here. UAPs are real and confirmed by the US government and military personnel.
People just can’t accept it. We aren’t special and we never were.
UAPs could be anything, we have no idea what. No evidence was presented that they are aliens, and the ex-intelligence guy who claimed that they are aliens also believes the Vatican is involved in the cover up, not exactly credible.
I like the theory that we’re a precocious intelligent species. Like, although the universe is 13 whatever billion years old it takes a few cycles of suns going supernova to disperse the heavier elements to the point where a planet can form that will sustain complex life. Maybe the Earth is one of the first set of planets suitable for intelligent life to develop on, and although the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and there has been life on it for 3.7 billion years there has maybe only been multicellular life for about 500-600 million years. It took hundreds of millions of years for an intelligent species to arise once there was complex life and maybe even that was lucky, who’s to say it doesn’t “usually” take a couple billion years.
On top of all that, the universe is expected to continue forming new stars for another trillion years, so yeah, maybe we are one of the first civilizations at the dawn of the universe.
It’s even more than that.
Imagine a dinosaur species was sapient, what do they use to fuel their industrial revolution? There might have a few scatterings of oil reserves but most of the fossil fuels we have were created at the end of their era. They’d have to jump from water power to nuclear.
We are in an incredible accident of timing and opportunity, and we’re wasting the convergence of eons on a few centuries.
Good point! I’m just gonna riff on some of this for a bit cause it’s fascinating. A sapient lifeform arising is not enough to guarantee a technologically advanced civilization. It blows my mind that there were stone tool making hominins over 3 millions years ago, well before the first human species. And the type of stone tools made by early humans didn’t change for a million years. We take it for granted that technology inexorably progresses but does it even? A million years of basically the same technology. And then like you said, how many of our advances were dependent on external factors like the formation of oil, or domesticatable food animals, farmable plants, WOOD ffs, and on and on really.
And our species went through a population bottleneck at some point, homo sapiens have a strikingly low genetic diversity compared to many other animal species, some theories suggest there were only 2000 of us as recently as 75,000 years ago. We almost went extinct, and all the other homo species did go extinct, before even making it out of the stone age.
Also, jumping back to the formation of the Earth, a lot of assumptions about alien life developing rests on how many other “Earths” there must be but there is something possibly unusual about our planet. Our moon. Not just that we have a moon but that it was likely formed by a collision with a Mars sized proto-planet called Theia. We ended up with a moon larger than a planet our size should have. The collision also caused the Earth to tilt on its axis. So at a minimum without that collision we wouldn’t have tides or seasons which seem like pretty important factors in spurring adaptations in life on Earth. Just having the extra mass helps Earth hold onto its atmosphere. Other effects of the Theia collision may include more water on Earth, more iron and other heavy elements, and more active plate tectonics/volcanism.
It’s late and I’m not sure that last part makes sense after a couple rewrites but yeah, incredible accident and convergence of eons and whatnot for sure. Cheers.
It blows my mind that there were stone tool making hominins over 3 millions years ago, well before the first human species.
Just thinking about this point for a second is really mind-blowing especially when you think about it with the added context that up until about 200-300 years ago, human technology levels were probably closer to the stone-tool wielders than it is to modern humans in an EV listening to music through a smartphone and navigating by a global satellite system.
Ooh that’d be a close call. Maybe though. I could see an argument at least. But at the same time… the 3 mya stone tool users were arguably closer to chimpanzees than modern humans, closest common ancestor being 6-8 mya. They probably couldn’t make fire, didn’t have language or clothes or make structures to live in. Even late stone age peoples were so much more advanced than that.
The agricultural revolution starting about 10,000 years ago would maybe be where I’d put the dividing point. Or bronze age 3,000 years ago?
But that might be underselling how much progress we’ve made since the start of the industrial revolution. I don’t know, interesting to consider though.
About the rare huge-moon part - there’s been a recent discovery of a pair of young, still-forming exoplanets sharing the same orbit in a young star system - “PDS 70”; one protoplanet is in the L4 or L5 “Trojan” LaGrange point of the bigger one. Physicists reckon Theia may well have formed in one of Earth’s Trojan points, before being perturbed out onto a collision course by a third planet (thanks Jupiter)
So. While the planetary-collision-forming-a-huge-moon idea sure sounds wild, it might not be incredibly rare. Maybe.
We’re still at the very early stage of knowing what is normal for solar systems.
Neat! Plug that into the Drake equation. Problem is everything in there is pretty much guesswork and estimates of the number of intelligent lifeforms capable of interstellar communication in our galaxy vary between 1 and like, 100 million.
I think that if it happened once it’s bound to have happened many times but then where’s the party at? Hopefully we are just early, maybe we can still be the host at least.
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Trump conspired against the USA.
I agree. I think that he knew that Russia was going to attack Ukraine. (It is weird how trump got involved with Zelensky during that infamous phone call.)
Trump tried to get us (US) out of NATO so bad because then we would be free to use our military power in favor of Russia against Ukraine.
I do not think that Putin would let Trump have that information. Trump would blab it, and Putin knows that he would.
Convincing Trump that America should realign with Russia to take down China (and Europe) a few notches is more likely. That was obvious when the Republican Party changed their platform concerning Russia back in the 2016 election. Putin still was being fed a bunch of BS by his intelligence agencies and thought that his little green men could again take over another small satellite country. If America had not started helping with training Ukrainians to defend their country, that would have been the outcome. Simply refusing to aid Ukraine would have been enough. Even our intelligence thought that Russia was a major military power at the time.
I can’t see a situation where the US would have actively supported Russia, but it’s 100% believable that our support for Ukraine would be significantly muted if Trump were still president. And this would almost certainly also translate into reduced support from the rest of NATO.
Trump being on the ruzzian payroll is not a secret. He’s a puppet.
When he was elected (with the help of russia), he was brougt into a dark smoke filled room that smelled like sigarettes and cheap vodka, with a dosen men was sitting behind their desks. He couldn’t see any faces. No words said before Trump said: “what’s my agenda?”
What I wouldn’t do to have the transcripts of his private conversation with Putin that only one other US personnel, the interpreter, was allowed to attend. Just Putin, Trump, and the translator. No one else was allowed in other than Putins translator.
Try to tell me Putin wasn’t giving orders or giving information to Trump that he expected Trump to use in Putins favor…
I suspect that Trump’s taking national classified documents included these documents. Trump classified these with the highest of secret classifications at the time to hide them, and he did not dare leave them for Biden to get his hands on.
If Biden’s administration could still could get these transcripts, they could have been redacted to take out the sensitive parts and been declassified. We are likely to not have all the secret documents that Trump took, still.
Conspiracies require more than one actor. Who are the others? Otherwise, he’s just a bloated orange painted Cheeto with objectively tiny hands committing crimes.
He was literally indicted (in part) for conspiracy. There are easily findable legal documents that list all the others.
Not sure if you’ve followed just the “alternate” electors plot, but that alone is pretty conspiratorial.
His lawyers, some of his staff in the white house and kid rock
Probably Roger Stone too
Do your research on the case and the answers will be very obvious.
Which time?
Fact. Not a theory.
in the United States of America you would be innocent until proven guilty. Yet, I believe he is guilty. And, to answer not only your question but also our friends here :
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@toiletobserver
i search this …2023 Aug. 3, Trump pleaded not guilty to three counts of conspiracy and one count of obstruction, all related to the Jan. 6 insurrection. (many sources easy to find).
Finally, I also believe he should be found guilty in many other such cases.
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Yes ! Thanks for reminding me - - this is so telling.
So very clear for us and yet some conservative sees nothing. What a shame.Because patriotism was always only a tool to let them attack their fellow Americans, when Putin offers a better way of attacking liberals and progressives they’ll happily support Russia.
His son in law took money from them too.
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QAnon was made up by Trumps entourage to deflect the accusations against him.
Nah the Trump fanbois would gladly do that work for free. They’re pretty communist like that
Yes, this is it. Most likely it was the South African guy who first said that someone had hijacked Q’s account that started it. He couldn’t admit he was behind the account or he’d expose and embarrass himself when CodeMonkey (Ron Watkins) took it from him. Then the Watkinses were behind it from then on.
The QAnon docu-series on HBO did an excellent job of showing that this is likely what happened. I’m super interested in that loony movement (as a spectator and worrier) and yet it still presented all kinds of details and info that I hadn’t known. Also, Will Sommer, author of * Trust the Plan: The Rise of QAnon and the Conspiracy That Unhinged America* and the hosts of the QAnon Anonymous podcast (also spectator and worriers) think this is the most likely answer and they collectively know more than almost anyone about the subject.
In the end, it was sort of an accident that it got so big and they just lucked into it.
John McAfee is still alive
Seed oilz baaaad!
2012 is the end of the world
i have actually heard a theory that it did end in 2012 but that the infinite life parallel universe thing (forgot what its called but when you just go to a new universe when you die in the current one) was/is true
I certainly haven’t felt alive since.
Now that you mention it, it went pretty downhill from then. Is this the underworld?
So this is dark, but… my brother died in 2012 and nothing has felt the same since so… slightly different reasoning but I’ve been saying this for years.
My partner died in 2013 and I feel like the world has gone tits up ever since, in a way he wouldn’t believe. Like if it somehow turned out he’d been in a coma all this time and woke up and I had to catch him up on the last 10 years he’d tell me to fuck off out of here with this bullshit.
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I believe the military is covering up something about UAPs. I doubt it’s aliens but they know or should know more than they admit.
It’s always just US spy craft, foreign spy craft, foreign craft of unknown purpose, weather balloons, weird atmospheric shit. Also: instrumentation fucking up/data corrupting. When you combine the instrumentation with any of the former, it doubles it.
It’s the intersecting lasers making plasma thing they were working on, all the same physical properties and it’s probably what they were testing at that exercise where the tictac was filmed.
My guess is it half works but it impractical so they’re doing this poor cover up attempt to make China think it does work so they’ll invest r&d into it and waste resources, they used to do that to Russia all the time
I think it’s bogus and they’re using it to distract from something else, just like they used the culture war
100% it’s bogus. They aren’t using it as a distraction for any specific thing. They are using it because qanon and Jan 6th scared the shit out of the government and this is a way to keep conspiracy theorists busy.
some of the OG UFOs were in fact prototype B2, alien technology is just catchier story than (boring for most people) new warplanes
Absolutely agreed here but I wouldn’t even consider that conspiracy, I think documents showing UAPs even admitted that. It being extraterrestrial would be the true WTF moment.
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is ultimately responsible for 1999 bombings, if you count is as a conspiracy theory that is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings
All that Q shit is real. There’s a pizza shop basement somewhere in the DC area where republicans are raping kids & doing all that other weird shit.
The US, UK, Israel, China and Russia infiltrating my country.
That doesn’t narrow it down…
I think between those 5, there’s not a country on the planet that hasn’t been infiltrated.
Can you be any more specific? That narrows it down to “Not North Sentinel Island, probably”
What if one of those countries secretly visited North Sentinel Island with some guys in Crysis-like stealth exoskeletons to gather information? Anthropologists who are trained like a SEAL Team.
Hence “probably”. I haven’t completely ruled it out, although nominally speaking the island is Indias territory so they probably wouldn’t be very happy. Which doesn’t mean very much, admittedly.
All at the same time? What country are you from?
The south american country with huge territorial claims
Brazil?
Brazil doesn’t have territorial claims
So we’re only considering claims to land that is not possessed by the country. In that case I’d guess Argentina because Falklands.
Feds could have stopped 9/11, but chose not to.
The real truth of 9/11 is far darker than the idea that it was an inside job. It being an inside job implies that the Bush administration was competent.
I mean, Bush and Saudi families have been friends for generations. Doesn’t seem too far fetched for them to work together.
It was actually Sonic
Lmfao seems reasonable, hopefully he’ll be held accountable
As far as I understand they could have stopped it but it would have required them swallowing their pride and sharing their data and cooperating with “rival” agencies.
The Looming Tower is a fantastic mini series which covers the inter agency bullshit that allowed it to happen
Yah, not really conspiracy, but BS that allowed bad things.
They had all the information on 911 but all in different agencies and different people who didn’t connect the dots.
After blm and j6, I am assuming feds did it.
No big ticket item crime in US gets done with out them playing at least some role.
Hell they don’t even need to do much. A few internet comments, and bada bing bada boom, you got a headline.
